Visit to Chris to See Magico M9 and VYGER and Pilium in Southlake, Texas

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Ron Resnick said:

litigate videos for the 75th time.

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You must realize that litigation never ends.

treitz3 said:

It should. The plain fact of the matter is that a video will NEVER replicate what you hear in person. No if's and's or but's.

EVER.

This argument gets pounded into the sand way more than it needs to be.

Tom

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no one has ever, EVER, made that claim. EVER.

PeterA said:

no one has ever, EVER, made that claim. EVER.

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And yet, people have offered videos as "good representation of the sound" of a system.

Which they are NOT.

EVER.

treitz3 said:

How about we set the ship straight again and go back to this post, instead of getting into the video thing for the umpteenth time, shall we?

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Well, the thread started with a video of a system playing music. How could we not get into the video thing eventually?

At first the thread was remarkably quiet about the sound anyway, but eventually it started when someone said they could hear no bass.

The whole thing could have been avoided with making a bunch of still photos of the system instead.

I don't understand why people take a video of a playing stereo. Booring. I would much rather the video be the owner explaing the system, what they were trying to achieve and how close have they come. And where do they go next. I wouldn't turn the stereo on during the video. Especially if the person taking the video doesn't believe in analyzing a phone video to understand how a system sounds. It makes no sense. Now if the author felt a video gave a deep insight into what it sounds like in person, then.great. post video of stero playing to your hearts content.

Al M. said:

And yet, people have offered videos as "good representation of the sound" of a system.

Which they are NOT.

EVER.

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can you please tell us what you think about videos? It is not clear

I think I am the only one that has never commented on videos so here I go: watch them if you like, don’t if you don’t. Don’t pretend anything making them and don’t pretend anything watching them

treitz3 said:

Yet, what this does is open the door for ridicule.....

Then arguments....

Then rebuttals...

It is this that gets old because it's seemingly present, argue, rebuttal, rinse, repeat ad nauseam.

Same pile of chit. Different day. Different thread. Same flies.

Tom

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I agree it gets old. Not only does it get old, it degrades discussion.

I suppose blaming forum members (flies?) for their responses to a post is a perspective. Another perspective is to ask what in the post might have caused those responses.

I see a visit to an audiophile's home to hear his system and talk with hm about it in a video as a different sort of animal from a 15 minute visit to a dealer's showroom.

In this thread the dealer is not interviewed on camera. Rather than learning about the showroom from the dealer's description a video is posted along with Ron Resnick's subjective opinion about the room, but not about the system. The video has the camera walking around a room showing different components in the system while overlaid by a montage of audio recordings of the system being shown. At first blush, without written or verbal comment about the showcased system, it seems that it is the job of the video to speak for the system in the room. Once someone asks "where's the bass?" we are told the audio portion of the video is not representative of the actual sound of the system and only included for casual musical accompaniment. (Which is rather odd as we have plenty of posted videos with decent bass.)

Then responses to that come from forum members. As usual it is ****** who turns the discussion from the dealer or the system to editorialze about videos in general. (That is not an attack but a statement of fact.) That devolves into talk about DACs. Then the thread goes this way then that as do many threads when the discussion gets off topic, when it turns to videos -- not about the subject of the video, but the truth-value of the video and all videos. People have different opinions.

WBF could disallow system videos -- harsh perhaps but effective. Or WBF could say posts that discuss the truth-value of videos or the representativeness of system videos will be deleted. Or WBF could say that only system videos are allowed where the video maker attests that the video is representative and discussion about whether someone believes any video can be representative will be deleted. WBF has many options to act in its best interest -- it censors out politics and religion, why not talk about the general value of videos? It is personal choice to watch a video or not. Simply railing about the redundancy of the video topic gets nowhere and as long as such discussion is available, people will continue to react.

Ron Resnick said:

It would be nice if you would at least read and process what I actually wrote: "Due to a time constraint I was able to spend only about 15 minutes relaxed and enjoying the music."

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I did -- where do you think I got the 15 minutes? You set the context and said nothing about other activities.

cjfrbw said:

You must realize that litigation never ends.

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The last two audiofools on Earth...what do you think they'll be arguing over?
"When Litigation Ruled The Earth".

Ron Resnick said:

No . . . I said 15 minutes listening to music. I never stated how long I was in the dealer's showroom in total.

You converted 15 minutes listening to music into "a 15 minute visit to a dealer's showroom."

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Ron Resnick said:

Thanks to Chris Hesse for letting me visit! Due to a time constraint I was able to spend only about 15 minutes relaxed and enjoying the music.

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Sure reads like that was your visit.

You said nothing about other activities -- why not? I had no reason to interpolate. You had plenty of opportunity to be clear about your activities. Only in retrospect are you adding to your story.

edit: and Ron, if you want to fuss about reading and processing, look unto yourself. You should note I never mentioned you in my contrast. A stand alone sentence...

tima said:

I see a visit to an audiophile's home to hear his system and talk with hm about it in a video as a different sort of animal from a 15 minute visit to a dealer's showroom.

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