The Audio Expert - New Book by Ethan Winer

Ethan Winer · Apr 17, 2012

vinylphilemag said:
As a fellow author, I know how hard writing a book is...

Tell me about it. All told the book comes in at 739 pages, including 53 pages in the three bonus chapters online. And this is with the most "dense" layout style the publisher uses. The total word count is nearly 260,000, which is equal to more than 100 typical magazine articles!

--Ethan

NorthStar · Apr 17, 2012

Yeah Myles, buy Ethan's book. :b

NorthStar · Apr 17, 2012

Ethan Winer said:
Yes, and that proves I did learn something from our debate. Related, in a (pro audio) forum that has banned me off and on several times, I suggested just this morning a one-on-one as you and I did, and I mentioned that debate and this forum by name.

--Ethan

The best, smartest, most generous, most intelligent people in history, were also the most persecuted, most insulted with the most hatred, most misunderstood, most misjudged, most misinterpreted, most misconsiderated, most disrespected, and most often banned! :b

Very true too.

Gregadd · Apr 17, 2012

It sort of begs the question: Who was wrong the witches or the ones who burned them?

Ronm1 · Apr 17, 2012

Gregadd said:
It sort of begs the question: Who was wrong the witches or the ones who burned them?

I suspect not the ones that did not float!

Gregadd · Apr 17, 2012

NorthStar said:
The best, smartest, most generous, most intelligent people in history, were also the most persecuted, most insulted with the most hatred, most misunderstood, most misjudged, most misinterpreted, most misconsiderated, most disrespected, and most often banned! :b

Very true too.

Thank you. Somebody gets me.

NorthStar · Apr 17, 2012

Gregadd said:
It sort of begs the question: Who was wrong the witches or the ones who burned them?

They went straight to Hell! :b ...Them burners, the condemnators.

Gregadd · Apr 17, 2012

... I am close to certain you can get a reviewer copy at no or little cost.

How about it Ethan?

Ethan Winer · Apr 17, 2012

Gregadd said:
How about it Ethan?

This is not my decision. If you have reviewer credentials, contact the publisher Focal Press and ask them for a review copy. If you'd like a contact person there, email me from my site http://www.ethanwiner.com and I'll send you the phone and email for the appropriate person.

But really - and I say this with all the respect you are due - based on your posting history I can't imagine you'd appreciate my book or understand its intent, or say nice things about it. Can you convince me otherwise?

--Ethan

jkeny · Apr 17, 2012

MylesBAstor said:
Frantz: If only reductionism worked in the real world!

+100 Myles, complex issues can not be reduced to simplistic approaches.

But having said this, I would like to apologise to Ethan fro my truculence in the thread that is now closed. There are more polite & better ways to debate than that. My only excuse is that I had builders in at the time & now that they are gone, I realise what stress I was under with their work style (I won't go into it but they did next to nothing when I wasn't watching them). Anyway, I don't apologise for what I said, just how I said it - I probably took out my frustration on Ethan.

MylesBAstor · Apr 17, 2012

jkeny said:
+100 Myles, complex issues can not be reduced to simplistic approaches.

But having said this, I would like to apologise to Ethan fro my truculence in the thread that is now closed. There are more polite & better ways to debate than that. My only excuse is that I had builders in at the time & now that they are gone, I realise what stress I was under with their work style (I won't go into it but they did next to nothing when I wasn't watching them). Anyway, I don't apologise for what I said, just how I said it - I probably took out my frustration on Ethan.

Not at least in biological systems

NorthStar · Apr 17, 2012

jkeny said:
..., I would like to apologise to Ethan fro my truculence in the thread that is now closed. There are more polite & better ways to debate than that. My only excuse is that I had builders in at the time & now that they are gone, I realise what stress I was under with their work style (I won't go into it but they did next to nothing when I wasn't watching them). Anyway, I don't apologise for what I said, just how I said it - I probably took out my frustration on Ethan.

That's nice John! ...Better late than never. :b

* Your excuse is not a reason though. IMHO

amirm · Apr 17, 2012

Ethan Winer said:
But really - and I say this with all the respect you are due - based on your posting history I can't imagine you'd appreciate my book or understand its intent, or say nice things about it. Can you convince me otherwise?

--Ethan

From the bit I read, I disagree. I think there is good general information about audio in there that would make it a good reference. Unless you tell me everything from chapter 2-3 is debating audiophile beliefs. Is it?

Gregadd · Apr 17, 2012

This is not my decision. If you have reviewer credentials, contact the publisher Focal Press and ask them for a review copy. If you'd like a contact person there, email me from my site http://www.ethanwiner.com and I'll send you the phone and email for the appropriate person. Ethan

.

I do not have reviewer credentials. I was responding to this earleir post tby Frantz on behalf of Myyles

I am close to certain you can get a reviewer copy at no or little cost.

But really - and I say this with all the respect you are due -
[And just how much respect is that?]based on your posting history I can't imagine you'd appreciate [On the contrary I find you entertainig and annoying at the same time] my book or understand its intent[To debunk or challenge so called audio myths and those who purvey or fail to recognize them.], or say nice things about it{You're a big boy and clearly love a goog fight]. Can you convince me otherwise?[ I guess that's our biggest divide. I do not see any need to convince you of anything. You certainly are not lacking in self-confidence.]

You are correctit it is unlikely that you have departed from your often stated beliefs and nor have I.

Mark (Basspig) Weiss · Apr 18, 2012

I always say that if you can't see it with a $44,000 spectrum analyzer, then it isn't there.

DonH50 · Apr 18, 2012

^ That's cheap in the microwave world. And, you need something for the time domain, too...

I am going to add this to my "to get" list. The book, not the spectrum analyzer!

Orb · Apr 18, 2012

FrantzM said:
Myles

Ethan seats at the opposite extreme from your vantage point..He has however backed his positions, often with solid science or pointed to solid research which is to most people more substantial than "I heard it".... The more appropriate response would be to get Ethan Book. Debunk it if you can. prove him wrong in a courteous and rational fashion, in Other words with solid arguments. It would elevate the debate and solidify your position and your contributions more so than veiled ad Hominem and innuendos jabs ... I am close to certain you can get a reviewer copy at no or little cost.

To be honest Frantz, for that one just needs to read certain forums and the discussion-debate Ethan has had with both Amir and at other times John Atkinson for solid arguments.
Not suggesting they disagree with Ethan on everything but they can come from a different perspective and back this up with solid research-data.
Good reading IMO but can take ages finding those posts and specific responses.
Cheers
Orb

NorthStar · Apr 18, 2012

Discussions are a learning curve. Nothing is ever definitive. The past is no cause for today's verdict. The future is always ahead. Adaptation is our most flexible attribute (human species). Rehabilitation is concrete; it does exist. The world is what we think we make of it.

Get the book get the book get the book ... :b

Phelonious Ponk · Apr 18, 2012

Ethan Winer said:
This is not my decision. If you have reviewer credentials, contact the publisher Focal Press and ask them for a review copy. If you'd like a contact person there, email me from my site http://www.ethanwiner.com and I'll send you the phone and email for the appropriate person.

But really - and I say this with all the respect you are due - based on your posting history I can't imagine you'd appreciate my book or understand its intent, or say nice things about it. Can you convince me otherwise?

--Ethan

Based on his posting history, he wouldn't say anything substantive about it. He would attack it based on his personal opinions, offering no evidence to support his or debunk your POV. But that is history. I haven't read many of his recent posts. Perhaps he has changed direction?

Tim

Phelonious Ponk · Apr 18, 2012

jkeny said:
+100 Myles, complex issues can not be reduced to simplistic approaches.

But having said this, I would like to apologise to Ethan fro my truculence in the thread that is now closed. There are more polite & better ways to debate than that. My only excuse is that I had builders in at the time & now that they are gone, I realise what stress I was under with their work style (I won't go into it but they did next to nothing when I wasn't watching them). Anyway, I don't apologise for what I said, just how I said it - I probably took out my frustration on Ethan.

If Ethan's arguments are reduced, expand the dialogue. Perhaps I've missed something important, but I don't think I've seen any of his attackers offered up any serious arguments against his positions (some of which are arguable, by the way). If his positions are so simplistic, they should easily crumble. But nobody debunks anything with personal opinions or attacks upon the bearer of the unwanted message. Data is required. Show some game.

Tim

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