What cables are you using in your system ?????

[ssfas]

Duelund - DCA12GA600V for AC and DCA16GA for DC and RCA

Those are very interesting choices. The AC cable has a very high current rating and the DC is old school design, now illegal in the UK for AC but fine for signal and speakers. Also a very good price, the same price as my recently acquired 5T00UP speaker wire (Gamma Infinity without the fairy dust).

The irony is that they are tinned copper, the same type of wire used in fuses by Bussman etc. that some people don't want to use as being inferior.

 

[tima]

Who’s to argue? Your system, your ears. No one should use expensive alternatives if they don’t discern any difference.

I realize this is not quite your point but I thought audiophile cables, especially expensive audiophile cables were supposed to make a sonic difference between themselves and some other expensive audiophile cable. Aren't they designed to make a difference? Otherwise how do they differentiate themselves from one another ... jewlery? blingery? Is an expensive cable from which you do not discen a difference a failed cable?

 

[flkin]

Those are very interesting choices. The AC cable has a very high current rating and the DC is old school design, now illegal in the UK for AC but fine for signal and speakers. Also a very good price, the same price as my recently acquired 5T00UP speaker wire (Gamma Infinity without the fairy dust).

The irony is that they are tinned copper, the same type of wire used in fuses by Bussman etc. that some people don't want to use as being inferior.

Sure, tinned copper is old school but they do sound so natural. Price is not an indication of sound quality - my Duelund and QSA-Landri cables are on the opposite ends of the price spectrum but they both have a contribution in my system. Ultimately the only way to know this is to try them assuming they are within the budget. A measure of common sense and willingness to experiment can help guide the way since a cable might be good in a system and not in another one for a whole truckload of reasons many of which we don't really understand. The old adage "proof of the pudding is in the eating" really does apply.

FIY: Pink Faun puts tinned copper wires in teflon called PCX cabling in their acclaimed 2.16x streamers to good use, I believe it's one of the reasons why they sound so good.

 

[andromedaaudio]

In my view this whole cable business is there to provide some sort of instant relief for audiophiles who are not happy with what they hear .
The problem might be in the speaker for example but they are not sure , plus a speaker is an expensive swap .
Buy good neutral speakers/ transducers first properly driven by good quality amps and use a good source

 

[DasguteOhr]

In my view this whole cable business is there to provide some sort of instant relief for audiophiles who are not happy with what they hear .
The problem might be in the speaker for example but they are not sure , plus a speaker is an expensive swap .
Buy good neutral speakers/ transducers first properly driven by good quality amps and use a good source

I thought the same for years. I recommend you borrow a Cinch+speaker cable from the Echole Orius series. I predict that after the second song you will say "damn, that's how it's supposed to sound". I'll spare you empty words that don't really describe what happens when you play music with these cables. You have to hear it yourself or you won't believe it. And this effect occurred on 3 different HiFi systems with these cables, so it's not just my imagination or voodoo.

P.S
For cables that are completely new, you should give it a few hours.
it is clear that I will not buy anymore expensive devices only these cables from now.

 

[Another Johnson]

I realize this is not quite your point but I thought audiophile cables, especially expensive audiophile cables were supposed to make a sonic difference between themselves and some other expensive audiophile cable. Aren't they designed to make a difference? Otherwise how do they differentiate themselves from one another ... jewlery? blingery? Is an expensive cable from which you do not discen a difference a failed cable?

No. It is the wrong cable for that listener listening to that system. A good dealer can readily help by providing good auditions and/or in home trial.

If one buys based on price and what “those guys on the internet said,” without a good demo or in home trial, disappointment should not be surprising.

Cable discussions are always a quagmire because everyone considers themselves to be “in the know.” Hardly any audiophiles actually consider that their opinion, except perhaps in extreme cases on the low end, is not the last word when it comes to what other people hear.

My position is “don’t waste your money on status focused bling.” If you don’t discern a difference and you’re happy, don’t judge what another person might consider the changes that gave him the boost to his best plateau so far. His ears, his system.

 

[Juiced]

Interconnects: Kondo Ls-41
Speaker cable and crossover: Kondo SPs- 2.7
Digital: Generic USB and Generic Ethernet cables
ToneArm to Phono cable: ALBEDO PHONO DIN-RCA
Power cables for Amp, DAC, Phono: Kondo ACz-AVOCADO

 

[Republicoftexas69]

No. It is the wrong cable for that listener listening to that system. A good dealer can readily help by providing good auditions and/or in home trial.

If one buys based on price and what “those guys on the internet said,” without a good demo or in home trial, disappointment should not be surprising.

Cable discussions are always a quagmire because everyone considers themselves to be “in the know.” Hardly any audiophiles actually consider that their opinion, except perhaps in extreme cases on the low end, is not the last word when it comes to what other people hear.

My position is “don’t waste your money on status focused bling.” If you don’t discern a difference and you’re happy, don’t judge what another person might consider the changes that gave him the boost to his best plateau so far. His ears, his system.

Exactly! My position is “don’t waste your money on status focused bling.” If you don’t discern a difference and you’re happy, don’t judge what another person might consider the changes that gave him the boost to his best plateau so far. His ears, his system.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Those are very interesting choices. The AC cable has a very high current rating and the DC is old school design, now illegal in the UK for AC but fine for signal and speakers. Also a very good price, the same price as my recently acquired 5T00UP speaker wire (Gamma Infinity without the fairy dust).

The irony is that they are tinned copper, the same type of wire used in fuses by Bussman etc. that some people don't want to use as being inferior.

I have to ask, is there the Cable Police in the UK? As they are AC cables you could not use them regardless of the law.

 

[ssfas]

I have to ask, is there the Cable Police in the UK? As they are AC cables you could not use them regardless of the law.

Yes, there are cable police in the UK insofar as all the cables and installation from the external mains supply to the wall sockets, the plugs that go in the wall and the fuses in the plugs that go in the wall. The plug/fuse that goes in the wall is specified to protect the power cable to the appliance from overheating. Interconnects and speaker cables are not covered as they don't get plugged into the wall AC.

There is a formal system of testing by certified test electricians, and they test and report on the entire installation, which is filed online and should be redone every 5 years. If your electrical installation is part of works controlled by the building police (called Building Control), you will not get a Building Certificate of compliance without the Electrical Certificate, Gas Certificate and Fire Certificate.

So if you make a fire insurance claim, you'd better have the certificates. If you're selling your property and don't have the certificates, the buyer will assume it is not compliant and the price will likely be reduced.

Most building works require permission from the local authority. All the documents are available online. When buying a property you pay a surveyor to check what has been done and that the work was certified when complete. They also check that work was not done without permission.

It's all about safety. For example, the inspectors told me that some glass doors separating the kitchen area had to be fire-rated to protect the upper floors of the house, which cost me an extra $4,000 over normal safety glass.

 

[ssfas]

Sure, tinned copper is old school but they do sound so natural. Price is not an indication of sound quality - my Duelund and QSA-Landri cables are on the opposite ends of the price spectrum but they both have a contribution in my system. Ultimately the only way to know this is to try them assuming they are within the budget. A measure of common sense and willingness to experiment can help guide the way since a cable might be good in a system and not in another one for a whole truckload of reasons many of which we don't really understand. The old adage "proof of the pudding is in the eating" really does apply.

FIY: Pink Faun puts tinned copper wires in teflon called PCX cabling in their acclaimed 2.16x streamers to good use, I believe it's one of the reasons why they sound so good.

I've forgotten that last I replaced expensive speaker cables with Belden 5T00UP that cost about $150.
The expensive cables were compensated as part of a large trade-in deal, but in retrospect were still probably a mistake.
My music room colour scheme has a lot of silver/grey, so the grey Belden 5T00UP outer cover is bling-tastic.

Most cables can be obtained on loan, which I did once with Shunyata - since sold.

Speakers: Belden 5T00UP 10AWG
Ethernet: Belden
USB: Supra Excalibur
Mains: Puritan Ultimate and Supra LoRad 2.5
Phono DIN cables: Vinyl Passion Log-rhythm and Zavfino (a brown one, free with a tonearm)
Phono to amp: Vinyl Passion Link XLR and Sean Jacobs Custom HiFi Blue RCA
DAC to amp: Vinyl Passion Alequeia XLR
Consumer unit to wall: NeoTech NEP-4003