where to next from AMG Viella V12

tima

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I'd consider a Grand Prix Audio Monaco 2.0.
I second that recommendation.

With regard to desiring a "more natural organic even warm sound" - without meaning to sound cheeky I'll say the Monaco will give you what is on your records. As a former editor of mine said of the Monaco: "It is a turntable for listeners who can handle the truth from their records -- who want exactly that, in fact." Do you want a turntable that will modify what is on your records so they will sound warm? Or do you want to play records with natural organic sound? Granted every audio component has its own character; some impose less of themselves on the music than others.

I think someone said to opt for a neutral turntable and 'arm and I agree with that. Let your cartridges bring different 'flavors'.
 
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Interested in this thread, as currently have an AMG Viella. As and when I'm ready to upgrade, my first demo will be the Parabolica / Monaco.
 

ashandger

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I believe Marten use Rui Borges turntable (Pendulum model I think but not sure) in their own demo room so could be worth looking into that as well and perhaps contact Marten for their impressions.
 

awsmone

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i currently use an AMG Viella V12 with the turbo version of the 12inch arm - cart is a DS Audio Master 1

i am just thinking if i was to upgrade my TT where would i go? I love the sound of my current set up but is it possible to get more?

I dont want a more analytical detailed sound, but prefer a more natural organic even warm sound. I listened to a Kronos the other day but didnt like it. Not sure what to audition next - any thoughts warmly appreciated.
not sure what it is you want

I own a Monaco, its not naturally warm , you get whats on the record and the arm, cartridge and phono
add any colour not the TT
it just turns records ;)

Perhaps a Kuzma M?
 
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not sure what it is you want

I own a Monaco, its not naturally warm , you get whats on the record and the arm, cartridge and phono
add any colour not the TT
it just turns records ;)

Perhaps a Kuzma M?

Well as an owner of a Kuzma M, I would not recommend it to someone looking for a warm sound. Incidentally however, I have heard Kuzma M and Kuzma XLDC side by side with the AMG Viella. I'd take the M over the Viella everyday. I was browsing the latest Stereophile recommended component list today and noticed Fremer said the M doesn't have the bloom of other tables he'd heard. Perhaps that's why I like my M as much as I do. I think he meant that as a negative, however. LoL.
 
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another vote for Vyger .

I have experience to setup : AMG Viella V12 + Benz LP-S & Vyger Indian IV + Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement + Continuum Caliburn + Lyra Atlas.
Vyger is one of the best turntable i've ever heard . I think you will like it since it has anything that you prefer .

Cheers...
 
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another vote for Vyger .

I have experience to setup : AMG Viella V12 + Benz LP-S & Vyger Indian IV + Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement + Continuum Caliburn + Lyra Atlas.
Vyger is one of the best turntable i've ever heard . I think you will like it since it has anything that you prefer .

Cheers...
Hi do you have Vyger now? What's the rest of your system?
 
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Hi do you have Vyger now? What's the rest of your system?
Hi bonzo75 ,

Actually i helped my friend to setup his new turntable . His system consists of :
- Full of current flagship Soulution systems (CDP as CDT , DAC , PRE , 701 monos)
- Magico Q7 spkrs
- Spkr cables : Kubala Sosna Elation
- Interconnect : Ansuz Diamond + Kubala Elation
- Power cords : Ansuz Diamond
- Line conditioner : few pcs. PS Audio P10
- Turntable + tonearm : Vyger Indian Sig IV
- phono cart : Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement
- phono stage : Tom Evans Mastergroove SR
- phono cable (from turntable to phono stage) : Vyda silver
- interconnect from phono stage to preamp : custom Tom Evans

Cheers,
Riwin - Indonesia
 
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bonzo75

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Why do you subscribe to the different flavors of sound theory?
I just accept that we are audiophiles. It means two things, one is we will eventually be curious about trying another sound especially with a cart and arm, and 2, your first cart purchase for the Vyger will mostly be incorrect. Problem is that unless you are very very experienced you have no way of finding out or have a lot of finances to buy many, you have no way of finding out what different carts sound like and which work in your system. If you remember Davey's poll, most bought their carts without listening to them.
 
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Haha, nobody wants to admit their turntable sounds "warm" :)
I normally don't recommend stuff in a lower price bracket than op is looking towards, but a new SOTA Cosmos with a great arm and a top Shelter (Accord or Harmony - track near the max of its recommended range ~ 2.1g) or Koetsu cartridge (track ~ 1.95g) would definitely give you a beautiful warm organic sound, and probably save you a chunk of change on the table too. SOTA is about to release a new revision, series V, of the Cosmos this winter - with reportedly significant sonic improvements. I'd suggest the flagship SOTA Millenia, but it just looks so damn ugly compared to the 2nd-from-top Cosmos in a nice exotic wood chassis.

Generally though, get the best turntable you can afford, then choose a cart that will give you a warm/organic sound (this has a bigger influence than the TT), then choose an arm to properly match it. Also phonostage and its match with your cartridge has a LARGE effect on the resultant sound. The VAC Renaissance phono stage is very organic sounding, and a bit warm (a bit less so with the SE upgrade).
 
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I just accept that we are audiophiles. It means two things, one is we will eventually be curious about trying another sound especially with a cart and arm, and 2, your first cart purchase for the Vyger will mostly be incorrect. Problem is that unless you are very very experienced you have no way of finding out or have a lot of finances to buy many, you have no way of finding out what different carts sound like and which work in your system. If you remember Davey's poll, most bought their carts without listening to them.
so you think two arms is required to do compares with different cartridges - i get it. thanks

i think many analog-heads want different arms for different carts or flavors, hence the disconnect.
 

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so you think two arms is required to do compares with different cartridges - i get it. thanks

i think many analog-heads want different arms for different carts or flavors, hence the disconnect.
That too. I think the Stradivarius is far ahead of all carts I have heard on violin, piano, small chamber, vocals (though many good on vocals), and I can also imagine for jazz. It wasn't doing full scale orchestra well enough. I have compared it in two systems now and also compared another colibri strad before. So would need another cart if I could afford two good carts. There can also be something like an easy listening cart, where you don't want to subject your main cart to wear and tear. Rock might need different carts from solo violin
 
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That too. I think the Stradivarius is far ahead of all carts I have heard on violin, piano, small chamber, vocals (though many good on vocals), and I can also imagine for jazz. It wasn't doing full scale orchestra well enough. I have compared it in two systems now and also compared another colibri strad before. So would need another cart if I could afford two good carts. There can also be something like an easy listening cart, where you don't want to subject your main cart to wear and tear. Rock might need different carts from solo violin
I think this might be an interesting thread topic. As I recall, you think digital is easy (just get a GG, roll tubes, and you're done) - but in analog you definitely prefer different carts for different music. I'm trying to think of a digital guy with multiple dacs, but can't think of one off hand (perhaps a SS and tube dac?).

My personal theory (and somewhat confirmed by my friends!) is that analog-nuts just like to dicker around. But I do find it interesting that MikeL and a few others don't do that anymore. I asked Christian a somewhat similar question recently on his AS thread.