How Good a CD Transport is Required to Sound Better than Streaming?

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There seems to be a fairly solid consensus (Lucasz Ficus, LL21, Al M, etc.) that CD playback or computer file playback, or perhaps both, sound better than streaming (assuming, of course, that all other variables, including the DAC, are held constant).

But I assume that one cannot assume that any device that can spin a CD necessarily will achieve better sound quality than will streaming.

So how good a CD transport does one need to achieve CD playback which sounds better than streaming? Where do the lines (rising sound quality of better transport and streaming sound quality) cross?
 
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First of all I am all in on streaming! I love the fact that I am the master of my domain and that I can listen to almost anything without getting off my chair. Having said that I have nothing against any format. What must happen however, which most do not do, is to optimize the source that you choose. I dont get having many sources and all are just there. You can optimize any of them yet most don't optimize any. I also don't know why you need them all but that is another subject,
If you enjoy records, great then optimize that. If you like streaming then optimize it like everything in this business a steamer/server is not the same as every other streamer.
All audio is not created equal, pick your source and get it done to the best of your ability for the most enjoyment
 
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First of all I am all in on streaming! I love the fact that I am the master of my domain and that I can listen to almost anything without getting off my chair. Having said that I have nothing against any format. What must happen however, which most do not do, is to optimize the source that you choose. I dont get having many sources and all are just there. You can optimize any of them yet most don't optimize any. I also don't know why you need them all but that is another subject,
If you enjoy records, great then optimize that. If you like streaming then optimize it like everything in this business a steamer/server is not the same as every other streamer.
All audio is not created equal, pick your source and get it done to the best of your ability for the most enjoyment
Why can't one have multiple optimized sources? I'd argue many of us in this forum do.

Also, for a great deal of older jazz and rock, the best versions in terms of sonics are remastered on vinyl (maybe also tape?). So if you're about sound quality (which I think we all are) and want to hear the best sometimes you need more than one source.
 
Sorry, I couldn't agree less. I've heard analog, digital streaming and digital discs sound horrible and excellent and everything in between. There is no correlation to the medium whatsoever.

In terms of skipping - with physical media, it's convenient, let's say to just leave the analog and / or digital disc in the player rather than continually having to get up and change it which is why I'd argue most folks just leave it in until the end.

With digital streaming, you are your own DJ and can create your own playlist, fully editable on the fly, which makes the musical experience much more enjoyable.
None of things you've said justifies skipping.
 
Read it again.
Actually, you should read up on what “skipping” means in this context. Skipping refers to not finishing a song—constantly jumping to another track, and then another, often in 30-second intervals in the worst cases. A slightly better, but still problematic, behavior is skipping the entire album after listening to just one track, and continuing this pattern across albums.

None of the conveniences of streaming justify this. Like it or not, it’s a consequence of plastic sound.
 
Why can't one have multiple optimized sources? I'd argue many of us in this forum do.

Also, for a great deal of older jazz and rock, the best versions in terms of sonics are remastered on vinyl (maybe also tape?). So if you're about sound quality (which I think we all are) and want to hear the best sometimes you need more than one source.
you can , who says you can't but in fact for most I do not believe that is the case.
 
you can , who says you can't but in fact for most I do not believe that is the case.

Yes you can, but I chose to concentrate on a single source, physical CD playback. That way I could fully optimize its sound quality, by effort and money spent.

Diluting my resources among multiple sources would have led to none being as optimized as the sole source I have now.

I am very happy with the choice I made, but that's an individual decision. Others will choose a different route.

At some point I may have to add streaming, but I am not there yet.

Anyway, I am glad that I waited, since streaming is getting much better than it used to. I have seen friends going through the pain of being early adopters, and I did not want to duplicate that nightmare for myself.
 
Actually, you should read up on what “skipping” means in this context. Skipping refers to not finishing a song—constantly jumping to another track, and then another, often in 30-second intervals in the worst cases. A slightly better, but still problematic, behavior is skipping the entire album after listening to just one track, and continuing this pattern across albums.

None of the conveniences of streaming justify this. Like it or not, it’s a consequence of plastic sound.
These generalizations people like to make about plastic sound, skipping, etc.are completely outside my experience. If you do a half assed job setting up your digital, it likely won’t sound very good. If you do a half ass job setting up your analog it, as well, will not sound very good.
 
Yes you can, but I chose to concentrate on a single source, physical CD playback. That way I could fully optimize its sound quality, by effort and money spent.

Diluting my resources among multiple sources would have led to none being as optimized as the sole source I have now.

I am very happy with the choice I made, but that's an individual decision. Others will choose a different route.

At some point I may have to add streaming, but I am not there yet.

Anyway, I am glad that I waited, since streaming is getting much better than it used to. I have seen friends going through the pain of being early adopters, and I did not want to duplicate that nightmare for myself.
It is much easier to get there with CD! And probably less expensive. I chose the hard road, but have no regrets!
 
It is much easier to get there with CD! And probably less expensive. I chose the hard road, but have no regrets!

Yes, great streaming can be awesome!

And indeed, the fact that you can get there much easier with CD was a big part of my own calculation.
 
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I did buy a small WiiM streamer to start with, but I haven't plugged it in yet. I heard it in a friend's system, and we were both astonished how good it was. It beat some more elaborate streaming solutions that I heard before in his system (not that it's a match for the best streaming, but still). There is progress indeed.

I'll get to it at some point.
 
Actually, you should read up on what “skipping” means in this context. Skipping refers to not finishing a song—constantly jumping to another track, and then another, often in 30-second intervals in the worst cases. A slightly better, but still problematic, behavior is skipping the entire album after listening to just one track, and continuing this pattern across albums.

None of the conveniences of streaming justify this. Like it or not, it’s a consequence of plastic sound.
"Plastic sound" is a subjective bias, read my post above.

Skipping, whether during or after a song or disc completion is a personal habit. I and many see it as a benefit as obviously it's not mandatory.
 
These generalizations people like to make about plastic sound, skipping, etc.are completely outside my experience. If you do a half assed job setting up your digital, it likely won’t sound very good. If you do a half ass job setting up your analog it, as well, will not sound very good.
Evaluating whether your audio setup sounds good or not can be surprisingly simple. You don't have to contemplate on whether it's a half ass or full ass or any assed job.

Think of it like a “stop test”: when you hit stop, do you feel like it was playing beautifully and you want to resume right where you left off? If so, your setup likely sounds good. But if you don’t feel that urge to keep listening—and instead find yourself skipping tracks—that’s a sign something’s off.

This simple test applies to all sources, both analog and digital. In the case of digital, I’ve heard well-done setups that keep you fully engaged, passing the "stop test", but I’ve also come across many that make the owner skip through tracks and sound overly “plastic” to my ears.
 
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"Plastic sound" is a subjective bias, read my post above.

No, it's not. The fact that mtemur and I heard the same thing, basically using the same attribute to describe it, "plastic" or "plasticky", is not a coincidence. That telltale signature of a "plastic" streaming sound (or of computer audio in general) has made me recoil from it for the longest time.

But as I said, things are getting better. I was surprised to not hear this "plastic" signature from that little WiiM streamer for $329.

Of course, I have heard a lack of "plastic" sound from other streaming as well. But those are also all more recent implementations of the technology.
 
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No, it's not. The fact that mtemur and I heard the same thing, basically using the same attribute to describe it, "plastic" or "plasticky", is not a coincidence. That telltale signature of a "plastic" streaming sound (or of computer audio in general) has made me recoil from it for the longest time.

But as I said, things are getting better. I was surprised to not hear this "plastic" signature from that little WiiM streamer for $329.
If a descriptor is not technical and not an industry standard like in your case - assigning a material type to a sound, then yes, it most definitely is subjective and biased. Because you both used the same word doesn't not make it so.

And yes, agreed, digital streaming is getting better even at lower cost gear. in most systems I hear nowadays, I'd rather hear moderate to lower cost streaming over vinyl. It's only when you spend ~$20K+ on analog that, in some situations it starts to pull ahead in terms of sonics (my experience via multiple shows as of recent).
 
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Most based on what? Based on WBF? A statistical survey?

We're on WBF - most people have more than 1 (very good) source, agreed?
Based on my experience of over 50 years and if you want to discuss WBF most DO NOT have maximized multiple sources. No I don't agree .
 
Based on my experience of over 50 years and if you want to discuss WBF most DO NOT have maximized multiple sources. No I don't agree .
Check out folks' signature, you'll find you're incorrect.

And FWIW I have about the same years of experience, guess we're both old. ;-)
 

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