Visit to Todd (sbnx) Avantgarde Trio G3 in Parker, Texas
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Thanks. A rather more ambitious modification than I've made to my AG speakers! Personally I avoid mods to kit from well respected brands that can't easily be restored to original. That way, the used value can likely be maximised. In 15 minutes, the mods I've made to my AGs can be reversed.
I think you haven't read my article in depth.
I statet that all my modifications are reversible.
I not even drilled one hole.
Actually, as I now modified to a new DSP, I replaced the aluminum plate with cooling and have the Sub225 amp build in within 20 minutes.
And the Class D amps alone sound much better than the Sub225 amps
Now, who's got a used Mezzo XD or Duo GT for me?
I statet that all my modifications are reversible.
I not even drilled one hole.
Actually, as I now modified to a new DSP, I replaced the aluminum plate with cooling and have the Sub225 amp build in within 20 minutes.
And the Class D amps alone sound much better than the Sub225 amps
Now, who's got a used Mezzo XD or Duo GT for me?
We'll be fighting for it, unless we live on different sides of the Pond!
Hi, no, the new Mezzo is my entry in Avantgarde and horn loudspeakers. Interesting dilemma you have… my guess… the choice between superior integration of low / mid vs. more natural mid / high.
Hi,
And thx.
With G2 XD for me the Mezzo did exactly do that transition between bass mid right. Which is what impressed me so much.
As I heard the Mezzo XD 2 months ago, it was some of the best sounding systems I have ever heard. Nothing fancy driving it. Octave V80 integrated and T&A DAC200. Incredible soundstage, very defined bass...
Duo GT is better Mid High, which is so nice. But the XD series never disappointed. OK,not a very homogeneous sounding speaker but listenable...
So low mid integration with the Duo GT still not as good as Mezzo XD...(?)
And thx.
With G2 XD for me the Mezzo did exactly do that transition between bass mid right. Which is what impressed me so much.
As I heard the Mezzo XD 2 months ago, it was some of the best sounding systems I have ever heard. Nothing fancy driving it. Octave V80 integrated and T&A DAC200. Incredible soundstage, very defined bass...
Duo GT is better Mid High, which is so nice. But the XD series never disappointed. OK,not a very homogeneous sounding speaker but listenable...
So low mid integration with the Duo GT still not as good as Mezzo XD...(?)
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If you can someday upgrade the Mezzo XD to G3 with the manufacturer, I wonder whether you might take the Mezzo XD (already "some of the best sounding systems you have ever heard")...and then know you have an upgrade path long-term. And you might never feel the need to have it upgraded by the manufacturer.
I’ve never heard either Mezzo XD or Duo GT but from all the reading I’ve done on both since release I would say Duo GT.
There’s a lot of info out there from users of XD models that struggle with the software and integration whether Duo or Mezzo. It always struck me as an unnecessary addition to their speakers.
The G3 are completely different speakers, just watch AG’s long video on what is new in the design.
So if ever I was to upgrade it would be G3 without hesitation and I’d never swap my old G1 for any XD model even if there was no upcharge.
Best is giving the Duo GT a good listen somewhere. I have heard them several times and never thought about integration once. However the Mezzo (g2?) is grander, bolder, more mature. So my advice: listen to the Duo GT and if you like what you hear, go for it. Good luck
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Thats a way of looking at it, but I will likely never get the money together which the Mezzo G3 is costing.
My listening room can not accomodatie Trio. These are to big.
I know what you mean as the Trio is in another League as the lower versions, but I can live with them very very good
Yeah, that's the thing. Once you hear what makes a Mezzo so special, you cannot unhear it anymore. Which doesn't mean the Duo GT is a bad speaker in this regard.Best is giving the Duo GT a good listen somewhere. I have heard them several times and never thought about integration once. However the Mezzo (g2?) is grander, bolder, more mature. So my advice: listen to the Duo GT and if you like what you hear, go for it. Good luck
Avantgarde always promoted closed basscabins, because of better impulse characteristics. Now they're using BR, which contradicts this, but makes the bass go lower without pushing enormous amounts of energy into the chassis...
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I don't find a lot of people having problems with XD technology, but a lot of reading of some people writing a lot of having problems with XD
The Class D amps in the XD are very much better sounding than the Class AB amps in previous versions.
The DSP is complex but actually you don't need it if you where happy without DSP.
As you get all the options, one can get lost and it is a steep learning curve. That's why Avantgarde gives you the service to do this for customers.
I'm an audio engineer by profession, even I had to learn to use the DSP, but this is no rocket science.
The G3 uses exactly the same Class D amps and AllDSP as in the XD series. Only the new userinterface is easier (but not as flexible) to use. When someone doesn't know how to adjust for good sound, he will even be lost there.
I would actually go so far to claim that in most (!) listening environments the listener profits by using a DSP for even bass response, even with acoustic treatment.
I would very much doubt that if the iTron amp is used for the Duo GT.
The S3 versions have many other upgrades over S2s, for example the drivers are all better. The bass drivers now have 6" voice coils and I believe the mid and top drivers are also better, as is the horn design for the treeter and its fore and aft adjustment. Also the new bigger Duo GT bass enclosure is now ported and this may offer an improvement over the G2 Duo or even G2 Mezzo designs.
I'd agree with all you say, although I did swap my S1 Duos (circa 2006) for Duo XDs!
There is cerainly an improvement, but probably not enough to warrant the much higher price of the XD. The XD software is certainly a PIA and it needs far too much messing around with and measurements to get to optimal performance. Best in my experience to keep adjustments simpler, as is done with the S3's software.
Ha Ha! We know your opinions on the greatness of the Trio and the poorness of the other AG speakers, but I'd not switch to the Trio even if funds permitted.
The speaker design is such that the 3 horns are not vertically alligned and the bass section is likely to be far removed from the horns. The only times I've heard the Trios (at a national distributor's own showroom), I was disappointed with their imaging in particular and I put that down to the non-vertical allignment of the horn section.
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