Ron’s New System

[spiritofmusic]

My wife contends that a 300% pricier component producing a 30% improvement is a sign of 3000% listener insanity.
It's all a matter of where you place the decimal points.

 

[Johan K]

Well, now you are just giving friendly advice. What's the difference with the post you criticized?

Well, okay you could see it that way, but what I mean it’s no big deal, and one doesn’t need to write a book about it. Just unpack and lift. No more than that.

If one feel weak and can not lift, maybe one should hire a team of strongman’s to install the hifi gear.. LOL .

 

[bonzo75]

My wife

When did you get officially married, Marc - is this before or after the launch of Zu definition 6

 

[Al M.]

Well, okay you could see it that way, but what I mean it’s no big deal, and one doesn’t need to write a book about it. Just unpack and lift. No more than that.

If one feel weak and can not lift, maybe one should hire a team of strongman’s to install the hifi gear.. LOL .

If something is a big deal or not is in the eyes of the beholder, isn't it?

Again, I found nothing objectionable with that post which was just well-intentioned and did contain helpful advice.

 

[DasguteOhr]

What a junk of babling BS. Sorry for my language, but this is just another hifi component, so what’s the big deal?! Just unpack and lift the the component on to the the rack or whatever… It’s not a piece from outer space!! Just use some real muscle and don’t stand whining, and the job is done in a jiffy… Easy Peasy as One Two Three..!

/ Jk

Johan ,and with this devices, you don't have nasty marks from the heatsinks that mark you for several weeks. You don't get stupid questions at work , whether your wife whips tightly and you like that .

 

[Johan K]

Johan ,and with this devices, you don't have nasty marks from the heatsinks that mark you for several weeks. You don't get stupid questions at work , whether your wife whips tightly and you like that .

I don’t know what you’re saying here, or what you are coming at, Stephan.

 

[PeterA]

This is true. But this is a very different point than a claim of a 3X improvement by changing preamps.

I try not to put numbers on it, especially in a discussion that it is all just talk and no actual listening by multiple people sitting together who can even have an opinion on such things. Lots of fluff and mysterious crates.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I don’t know what you’re saying here, or what you are coming at, Stephan.

All good , was a joke...back to topic

 

[Johan K]

If something is a big deal or not is in the eyes of the beholder, isn't it?

Again, I found nothing objectionable with that post which was just well-intentioned and did contain helpful advice.

Yea very much so…
A big deal, or no big deal is ofcourse in the eye of the beholder, but I wanna add ”common sense” here as a factor, which usually then becomes no big deal. But maybe not everyone knows how to use common sense… just saying.

If you found the post helpful, good for you .
Maybe I’m too full force forward on these things and not feel when things are light or heavy… it’s just comes along .. LOL.. !

 

[bonzo75]

But maybe not everyone knows how to use common sense… just saying.

If you found the post helpful, good for you .

He would have found it helpful

 

[Al M.]

He would have found it helpful

I knew all that stuff, nothing new for me, but I don't object to thoughtful reminders if one wants to give them. The health of your back is no small matter indeed.

 

[Johan K]

The health of your back is no small matter indeed.

I agree to that . Not easy being HULK !

 

[morricab]

I would think that the percentage difference between "daily bliss" and "almost never listening" would be a greater delta than 20%.

For example, if I found a system to be relentlessly edgy, bright and fatiguing, a 20% decrease in edginess, brightness and fatigue is not going to give me daily bliss.

I doubt it, in fact it might not be measurable and therefore much less than 20%.

 

[microstrip]

I would think that the percentage difference between "daily bliss" and "almost never listening" would be a greater delta than 20%.

For example, if I found a system to be relentlessly edgy, bright and fatiguing, a 20% decrease in edginess, brightness and fatigue is not going to give me daily bliss.

Applying percentages to a subjective hobby that has an extreme individual component is meaningless. The high-end is essentially an hyperbolic personal exercise - if we take this characteristic from it we become boring and reasonable audio consumers. Most of the time we compare apples with oranges, no scaling is possible.

 

[Atmasphere]

Applying percentages to a subjective hobby that has an extreme individual component is meaningless. The high-end is essentially an hyperbolic personal exercise - if we take this characteristic from it we become boring and reasonable audio consumers. Most of the time we compare apples with oranges, no scaling is possible.

I've had customers ask if one of our updates makes a 35% improvement or whatever and I've never had any idea what that even means.

 

[Audiohertz2]

The sales answer is yes, 50% with the 1K magic fuse …!

 

[Ron Resnick]

The question ^here^ is why was it edgy?
And how did that happen… i.e. what was the causal mechanism?

Is it the source, the speakers, preamp or the amp, or in a distant last… something else?

I don't see why that matters.

 

[bonzo75]

 

[jbrrp1]

He's a fool to not have them in a stereo pair configuration....

 

[PeterA]

I don't see why that matters.

I think he means if the edginess is caused by the amplifier or a bad tweeter, or a bad DAC, replacing the preamplifier may not result in a massive improvement.

Determine what the issue is and then address it if you’re looking for ways to improve the performance of your system.