Apogee diva setup

Good luck, Al. For upgrade ideas just follow my Duetta Interstella thread from years back on this forum. Search will bring it up.

If you have the budget, what I did with a restorer was chuck everything away apart from the magnet arrays and rebuild everything to a higher spec.

Don't worry about neo magnets. Whilst it allows lower power amps, quality high power amps are easily available. Also, the Apogee magnets were huge and stuck to a heavy perforated high mass back plate. Lots of mass is what you want for sonic results i.e. it keeps the speaker inert. But it's a pain in the arse when you need to move them.

I also think I documented stuff like bass clamp upgrades, but in different threads. Those clamps mass damp the bass panels in a manner MDF ones cannot achieve. Well worth it.

I think there are some excellent design choices made by Florian and Daniele. But TBH get those Divas sorted properly and their designs don't actually sound massively better. Their bigger designs will give scale beyond a Diva, however. But Duetta/Diva sized speakers give decent scale and better cohesion that the biggest Clarisys.

It's just physics and no one can beat its laws. All they can do is make various design choices to come up with a decent compromise. I am pretty sure a well sorted pair of Divas will be within the top one percent of speakers out there. In 2025.
 
Thank you!

Does he post here?

I loved what he did and hope he is well.

There are a pair of Grands of his for sale, if I only had the budget! This is where I would put 75,000 grand if I had it.

Florian is the mastermind behind Clarisys.


Florian posts rather rarely here on WBF, his username is @ClarisysAudio
 
I bought the speakers from 'Stereo +' in San Francisco in 1993. They also carried Krell at the time, and that's sort of the amp line that was associated with Apogee then, so I started with the normal DAX and used Krell KSA 300(S) amps with a Krell KRC (2? HR?) preamp. The amps just didn't please me. Then, I tried semi-vintage McIntosh 2205 amps...which were more fun, but I was sort of simmering about what to do next. (I upgraded the caps.) Those amps did a good job, but gave a sensation, purely subjective,' that the drivers were kind of hanging out with the amps rather than being 'driven' by them. I know, sort of nutso Hi Fi talk.

I even tried some crown amps - it was interesting, because they sounded like playing CD even when playing vinyl - it was antiseptic. But, that was just goofing off - although it solidified how the speaker/amp interface is so compelling.

Then, I met a guy from Montana, who did things to Adcom amps. he loved their transformers and caps, and he did mods to a couple of Adcom 565 amps that knocked my socks off, and they stayed. I am trying to recall his name, he may be retired now, but he had skills.

Later on, I was always slightly dubious of the tweeter ribbons doing a bit of a "wave" at higher volumes, and I met Rich Murry of True Sound Works and went the whole hog. I recommend him, he's amazing.

So, I changed to a three way crossover from Pass Labs and after Rich worked on the woofer box...I use a Dayton Audio amp for just the woofers! It feels wrong, but he really integrated the woofers to the panels in a great way.

Now, I use some Mac MC275 amps, some Acrosound UL-II, and still those Adcoms. (I will try and look up that guy's name....he really did great work) All stereo amps running one per speaker. Rich ran the tweeters with an 8 watt tube amp and they were just fine.

Sorry for the long answer. (HIs mods 'improve' the impedance curve, so they are not such a load.)

As part of my tendency to hoard, I also have a pair of Mini Grands that are great in smaller rooms. Currently, Wyred For Sound amps.

I hope we meet some day!

Thanks for your extensive answer.

The Studio Grand is by far the easiest to drive Apogee with almost linear 6 Ohm over the whole frequency range.
I drive my Studio Grands with as little a 30 tube SET watts with excellent results.

But I don't use the integrated subwoofers at all, so I use my SG quasi as Studio Ribbon Arrays with the subwoofers as bulky stands.

Can you show some pics of your SG?

I hope Al does not mind the little digression.
 
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Thanks for your extensive answer.

The Studio Grand is by far the easiest to drive Apogee with almost linear 6 Ohm over the whole frequency range.
I drive my Studio Grands with as little a 30 tube SET watts with excellent results.

But I don't use the integrated subwoofers at all, so I use my SG quasi as Studio Ribbon Arrays with the subwoofers as bulky stands.

Can you show some pics of your SG?

I hope Al does not mind the little digression.
I will dig on my phone!
 
Thanks for your extensive answer.

The Studio Grand is by far the easiest to drive Apogee with almost linear 6 Ohm over the whole frequency range.
I drive my Studio Grands with as little a 30 tube SET watts with excellent results.

But I don't use the integrated subwoofers at all, so I use my SG quasi as Studio Ribbon Arrays with the subwoofers as bulky stands.

Can you show some pics of your SG?

I hope Al does not mind the little digression.
3 ohm was the official specs from Apogee , its the only model i never had a chance to measure so cant confirm it .. BTW You must have them in a small room for such low power to work ..!
 
Different house now, they ar in the basement awaiting their next turn! No TV now, I was compromising with the family!



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I wondered about a newer cross over, but the external cross over is complex . Where DAX allows me to make changes but in a understanding way .
I'm still working through as is ..
Got a new preamp too so now I'm adjusting to it .
I'm using two krells I rebuilt
And one thing I had to do is lower the gain on the mid tweet amp 3 db so far and I'll guess I'll need more .
tomorrow I'll start running sweeps with mic and software .
Once I moved them 48 inches things really took off .
I can sit 6 feet back and speakers are gone
One thing i do notice is all middle .
Stage seems ok but not wide
once tone is correct then I'll try moving them
To try get a wider stage .
my infinity irs v through a massive stage beyond the speakers these so far don't .
Might actually sound better with the passive crossover...do you have it as well?
 
3 ohm was the official specs from Apogee , its the only model i never had a chance to measure so cant confirm it .. BTW You must have them in a small room for such low power to work ..!
Diva is 3 ohm, Studio Grand, as Christoph mentioned, is 6 ohms.
 
Might actually sound better with the passive crossover...do you have it as well?
No these were modded buy the first owner
he also had the mid Robbin’s replaced
I have all papers too.
the mid is from apogee and speakers were bought from singer ny
having to try countless adjustments to dial them in. I can’t imagine not needing the Dax
If you think about it the woofer panel has no cross over at the speakers. So the amp drives the woofer panel directly
The mid / tweet is simplistic too
the Dax makes things seem more realistic
Where a cross over at speakers to me is much harder to fix in a given room.
the diva is very much like the IRS V in that it’s really a two way passive. The woofers are not part of the mid tweet towers
the diva to me has virtues the IRS V does not have
It’s pure in that no cones are used.
my room is not massive either.
the attack is fast and decay seems great
I was using a Krell preamp but now have a tube preamp
im not a tube guy but that tube preamp really has virtues the Krell pre does not
I’m still working on getting them correct but I’m close enough to known this is an amazing sound.
 
No these were modded buy the first owner
he also had the mid Robbin’s replaced
I have all papers too.
the mid is from apogee and speakers were bought from singer ny
having to try countless adjustments to dial them in. I can’t imagine not needing the Dax
If you think about it the woofer panel has no cross over at the speakers. So the amp drives the woofer panel directly
The mid / tweet is simplistic too
the Dax makes things seem more realistic
Where a cross over at speakers to me is much harder to fix in a given room.
the diva is very much like the IRS V in that it’s really a two way passive. The woofers are not part of the mid tweet towers
the diva to me has virtues the IRS V does not have
It’s pure in that no cones are used.
my room is not massive either.
the attack is fast and decay seems great
I was using a Krell preamp but now have a tube preamp
im not a tube guy but that tube preamp really has virtues the Krell pre does not
I’m still working on getting them correct but I’m close enough to known this is an amazing sound.
Having heard Florian’s Apogee Grands before and after the complete restoration of the active electronics, I can tell you that Apogee’s active electronics are not invisible and put a signature on the sound that damages a realistic presentation.
 
The Grands while quite superb, still to me , were not superior to the Full Ranges in the area of the musical organic flow. The Grands were dominated by those subs on the bottom, as I heard them extensively at the Sound By Singer's best demo room in New York. Was too much going on between the Krell amps and crossovers. One could "sniff" out solid state circuit in the air, hehehe
 
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