Introducing the New HiFi Miser Forum-As discussed by Andre Marc

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This would be for the sake of everyone else that read the thread. This probably would have reversed the situation, and resulted in a pile of sales, rather than all of the negative publicity.

Blizz, I think you are a well meaning guy, knowledgeable too. But I do think you live in a bit of a fantasy bubble.
 
I am curious about the key on the front. Is this the on/off switch? I personally like the styling of their products. I cannot comment on how they sound.

Yes, On/Off. I have not used or heard any of the standard models with the wood faceplates. But a local audiophile I know has one and loves it.
 
Blizz, I think you are a well meaning guy, knowledgeable too. But I do think you live in a bit of a fantasy bubble.

I don't think so. Once my products are ready for market, I'll gladly submit samples to Amir for a brutal unbiased public evaluation. If he points out shortcomings I can't backup, I'll go back to the drawing board.

I will use the criticism as a tool rather than a weapon.
 
I don't think so. Once my products are ready for market, I'll gladly submit samples to Amir for a brutal unbiased public evaluation. If he points out shortcomings I can't backup, I'll go back to the drawing board.

You are a like big puppy bouncing around the room thinking everything is so wonderful
and magical. Until you get smacked on the nose. :D

Giving you a hard time, but your version of reality, DSD256, the way products are marketed, etc, is the stuff
delusion. But I must say I do admire your puppy like enthusiasm for all things audio. Just don't feel the need
to try so hard to convince people about easy mods, the future etc. But do welcome your easy to understand technical
posts.
 
My job is to tell you how the product performs..how it sounds, and the ergonomics.

Harry Pearson would not know a capacitor from a resistor and he was the exalted one for 45 years.

Technical knowledge has absolutely, and utterly nothing to do with listening.
Beautiful...............please do not ever go into doing car reviews.

What I mean is; people putting down large amounts of money want to wowed by knowledge, you cannot do that if you lack it yourself. If you lack it yourself, then quote someone or consult someone who does have it.

Example;

Reviewer; Buy this car, I just drove it and it drives fine...........trust me.

Public: I want to know the................... gas mileage, premium or regular grade, range, safety rating, engine technical information (camshaft design, ignition/distributor system), horsepower, torque and torque curve, transmission type and feel, exhaust innovations, and so forth.

If in your review you provide a simple tactile response (hey - I like this, it has cool buttons) the technical geeks which want to know how much aluminum or carbon fiber was used in the design and not just the curb weight are going to be disappointed.

Right now I'm disappointed, consider that for a moment.

Audio EX: Our new collector style heatsink which actually functions as a mass-sink or "dump" in practice has an average heat/energy transfer of X per unit X, and never gets above X degrees even under hard use. It runs cooler than the Rat Pack in an air conditioned Las Vegas casino.

http://thedefinitiveratpack.com/sights-and-sounds-2/video/
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Beautiful...............please do not ever go into doing car reviews.

What I mean is; people putting down large amounts of money want to wowed by knowledge, you cannot do that if you lack it yourself. If you lack it yourself, then quote someone or consult someone who does have it.

Example;

Reviewer; Buy this car, I just drove it and it drives fine...........trust me.

Public: I want to know the................... gas mileage, premium or regular grade, range, safety rating, engine technical information (camshaft design, ignition/distributor system), horsepower, torque and torque curve, transmission type and feel, exhaust innovations, and so forth.

If in your review you provide a simple tactile response (hey - I like this, it has cool buttons) the technical geeks which want to know how much aluminum or carbon fiber was used in the design and not just the curb weight are going to be disappointed.

Right now I'm disappointed, consider that for a moment.

This is really idiotic. A car is not a toy. It is a dangerous instrument. Lives depend on a car performing correctly.

A DAC or amp? You really push the limits of absurdity here. Find another problem.
 
This is really idiotic. A car is not a toy. It is a dangerous instrument. Lives depend on a car performing correctly.

A DAC or amp? You really push the limits of absurdity here. Find another problem.
You pushed this amp for over a week with many hard to drive speakers, you just bragged about it - it never even got warm, remember?

Are you on any sort of medication I should know about?
 
I don't think criticism should not be allowed, I just think maybe the people doing the criticizing need to be more thoughtful, and if you're not sure about something or simply aren't that knowledgeable on the subject there's no need to play expert and no need to post criticisms.
The latter point/implication, i.e. lack of knowledge, has been made multiple times. So let's sort out here and now so it doesn't keep getting mentioned.

Two people posted technical critique of the product and one of them was me of course. Please indicate if you know we were or were not qualified to make those statements. If you do not know if we have the qualifications, then please tell us what we need to show to demonstrate that.
 
You are a like big puppy bouncing around the room thinking everything is so wonderful
and magical. Until you get smacked on the nose. :D

Giving you a hard time, but your version of reality, DSD256, the way products are marketed, etc, is the stuff
delusion. But I must say I do admire your puppy like enthusiasm for all things audio. Just don't feel the need
to try so hard to convince people about easy mods, the future etc. But do welcome your easy to understand technical
posts.

If being able to backup a product is a delusion, I think I'll just stick with my delusional world and enjoy products that manufacturers can backup.

And once my products are ready, I guess I'll have to seek delusional clients that appreciate a manufacturer who can backup his engineering. :)
 
Product reviews came in all shapes and sizes. There are technical reviews, reliability reviews, performance reviews, safety reviews, user-experience reviews and the list goes on. Just sayin'.
 
If being able to backup a product is a delusion, I think I'll just stick with my delusional world and enjoy products that manufacturers can backup.

And once my products are ready, I guess I'll have to seek delusional clients that appreciate a manufacturer who can backup his engineering. :)
Believe me, I wish you all the success in the world. I really believe in retail, the market is king. The market determines whether you are right, wrong , or delusional.
I am being sincere, if you have a better mouse trap, please get it out there.
 
Many times in observing my properly done engineering work, people comment on my attention to detail: "Why are you doing that, no one will ever see it, no one will ever know?"
I respond: "I will know."
zz

Exactly. :)
 

Yes and all it takes nowadays is 1 person to know and post it on the Internet. Then 1000's know. So compromises are unacceptable. Steve Jobs was super anal about every aspect of a design, inside in out. It had to be just as beautiful on the inside, as the outside. This is more important today than it's ever been in the past. This is what separate's the wheat from the chaff.
 
Keep in mind what you are criticizing is built by a human being who probably owns a business related to it. Think about if that person was a good friend of yours, how would you go about criticizing the design? I think this is a much better approach vs seeing how many points you can make and looking for things to be critical about. People need to remember this is a public forum, say what you want in private, it's no big deal but different standards should be the norm for posts that are public for all to see.
This is an important and interesting moral and ethical dilemma, isn't it? Should you feel sorry for the business owner and not point out negatives? Or should you care about someone who has worked hard to earn enough savings to buy a $2,500 amplifier who wants to know the full truth and not a censored one.

I remember reading a Yelp restaurant review. The person end his review exactly as you say, "well, this is a mon and pop business and I will be the last guy to try to impact their business so I give it four stars" or some such thing. At first I thought that made sense. But then I remembered how often I rely on these reviews to find a restaurant when I am travelling. And how disappointed I would be to have a lousy meal because something thought they should take the side of the restaurant owner than my need for unbiased and unabashed review. So I write all of my Yelp reviews this way. If the food is bad, it is bad. If the service is bad, the service is bad. People are entitled to reliable and good information. The moment we corrupt the nature of this, we can't trust anything and the system falls apart.

As you say though, everyone needs to decide for themselves where they stand. Once they do though, I like to know that front and center. If you tell me you are a reviewer but then go on and only write positive things because of this or other motivation, just tell me. I will still read and care about what you say because you bring information to us. But I would not rely on it for purchase decision because I know you are loathe to say anything negative. Peter's videos fall in this category for example but sadly he never indicates so.

Andre just gave you a thumbs up for your post. I assume it means that he will side with the equipment owner and not try to point out negative things. If that is not the case, then I am not sure why he is agreeing with you.

It is this kind of ambiguity which I think is improper. As I said clearly and repeat, I am on the side of us, the consumers. If equipment is not designed right I am going to say it. I wrote my inside AVR/BD player for a magazine that makes a living from the very same advertisers. The magazine publisher not only had no problem with this, but loved and has encouraged me to write more. It is who I am. When people look at my name, that is what I want them to think. That I will be critical and I will point out issues with products. That way there is no ambiguity and reader can tell what to do with the information I share.

While we were discussing the Regen product, I was approached to review a linear power supply. I told them right then and then that they should not send it to me if they have any expectations of how it may come out. To their absolute credit, they were 100% cool with it. And as it turned out, my review was not positive on the product. But hugely positive on the company. They did the right thing in wanting their product tested. And I think I did the right thing by not covering that up simply because I was loaned the equipment for free.

I learned a lesson long time ago from our corporate attorneys and it is the concept of "bright line." When something can be a matter of interpretation, their advice is to stay so far clear of the issue that it then becomes black and white. Be 100% respectful of female employees and then you never have to worry whether you have or have not violated sexual harassment laws. Such is the case with me. I will 100% positively on the other side of the bright line. I am an advocate of us the consumers, not the manufacturer.

Now as to dealing with friends, man that can get tough and awkward. What would I say if someone asked me what is wrong with Steve's system? My answer would be to go away :). I have not solved world peace. But have only figured out how I conduct myself when the situation is not so personal.

Would be interested to know which version of an equipment reviewer members like to see. The one that cares about the owner or us.

BTW, I own a small business but absolutely do not expect anyone to sugar coat our performance. If we do something wrong, I want to know and fix it. I don't know how to have a quality company and services otherwise.
 
This is an important and interesting moral and ethical dilemma, isn't it? Should you feel sorry for the business owner and not point out negatives? Or should you care about someone who has worked hard to earn enough savings to buy a $2,500 amplifier who wants to know the full truth and not a censored one.

I remember reading a Yelp restaurant review. The person end his review exactly as you say, "well, this is a mon and pop business and I will be the last guy to try to impact their business so I give it four stars" or some such thing. At first I thought that made sense. But then I remembered how often I rely on these reviews to find a restaurant when I am travelling. And how disappointed I would be to have a lousy meal because something thought they should take the side of the restaurant owner than my need for unbiased and unabashed review. So I write all of my Yelp reviews this way. If the food is bad, it is bad. If the service is bad, the service is bad. People are entitled to reliable and good information. The moment we corrupt the nature of this, we can't trust anything and the system falls apart.

As you say though, everyone needs to decide for themselves where they stand. Once they do though, I like to know that front and center. If you tell me you are a reviewer but then go on and only write positive things because of this or other motivation, just tell me. I will still read and care about what you say because you bring information to us. But I would not rely on it for purchase decision because I know you are loathe to say anything negative. Peter's videos fall in this category for example but sadly he never indicates so.

Andre just gave you a thumbs up for your post. I assume it means that he will side with the equipment owner and not try to point out negative things. If that is not the case, then I am not sure why he is agreeing with you.

It is this kind of ambiguity which I think is improper. As I said clearly and repeat, I am on the side of us, the consumers. If equipment is not designed right I am going to say it. I wrote my inside AVR/BD player for a magazine that makes a living from the very same advertisers. The magazine publisher not only had no problem with this, but loved and has encouraged me to write more. It is who I am. When people look at my name, that is what I want them to think. That I will be critical and I will point out issues with products. That way there is no ambiguity and reader can tell what to do with the information to share.

While we were discussing the Regen product, I was approached to review a linear power supply. I told them right then and then that they should not send it to me if they have any expectations of how it may come out. To their absolute credit, they were 100% cool with it. And as it turned out, my review was not positive on the product. But hugely positive on the company. They did the right thing in wanting their product tested. And I think I did the right thing by not covering that up simply because I was loaned the equipment for free.

I learned a lesson long time ago from our corporate attorneys and it is the concept of "bright line." When something can be a matter of interpretation, their advice is to stay so far clear of the issue that it then becomes black and white. Be 100% respectful of female employees and then you never have to worry whether you have or have not violated sexual harassment laws. Such is the case with me. I will 100% positively on the other side of the bright line. I am an advocate of us the consumers, not the manufacturer.

Now as to dealing with friends, man that can get tough and awkward. What would I say if someone asked me what is wrong with Steve's system? My answer would be to go away :). I have not solved world peace. But have only figured out how I conduct myself when the situation is not so personal.

Would be interested to know which version of an equipment reviewer members like to see. The one that cares about the owner or us.

BTW, I own a small business but absolutely do not expect anyone to sugar coat our performance. If we do something wrong, I want to know and fix it. I don't know how to have a quality company and services otherwise.

There you go again with your "beat 'em down with endless paragraphs" approach. Reading through I see nothing but blather. Really.

And yet AGAIN, being presumptuous:

"Andre just gave you a thumbs up for your post. I assume it means that he will side with the equipment owner and not try to point out negative things. If that is not the case, then I am not sure why he is agreeing with you."

How DARE you question my ethics. How dare you. I personally would not trust you with a nickel.
 
There you go again with your "beat 'em down with endless paragraphs" approach. Reading through I see nothing but blather. Really.

And yet AGAIN, being presumptuous:

"Andre just gave you a thumbs up for your post. I assume it means that he will side with the equipment owner and not try to point out negative things. If that is not the case, then I am not sure why he is agreeing with you."

How DARE you question my ethics. How dare you. I personally would not trust you with a nickel.
Andre I will not warn you again: you need to control your emotions and stay with the topic than discussing posters.

I will sanction you next time. If anyone cares about you, this is the time they should tap you on the shoulder and ask you to leave this thread before we have the second coming of this situation.
 
This is an important and interesting moral and ethical dilemma, isn't it? Should you feel sorry for the business owner and not point out negatives? Or should you care about someone who has worked hard to earn enough savings to buy a $2,500 amplifier who wants to know the full truth and not a censored one.

I remember reading a Yelp restaurant review. The person end his review exactly as you say, "well, this is a mon and pop business and I will be the last guy to try to impact their business so I give it four stars" or some such thing. At first I thought that made sense. But then I remembered how often I rely on these reviews to find a restaurant when I am travelling. And how disappointed I would be to have a lousy meal because something thought they should take the side of the restaurant owner than my need for unbiased and unabashed review. So I write all of my Yelp reviews this way. If the food is bad, it is bad. If the service is bad, the service is bad. People are entitled to reliable and good information. The moment we corrupt the nature of this, we can't trust anything and the system falls apart.

As you say though, everyone needs to decide for themselves where they stand. Once they do though, I like to know that front and center. If you tell me you are a reviewer but then go on and only write positive things because of this or other motivation, just tell me. I will still read and care about what you say because you bring information to us. But I would not rely on it for purchase decision because I know you are loathe to say anything negative. Peter's videos fall in this category for example but sadly he never indicates so.

Andre just gave you a thumbs up for your post. I assume it means that he will side with the equipment owner and not try to point out negative things. If that is not the case, then I am not sure why he is agreeing with you.

It is this kind of ambiguity which I think is improper. As I said clearly and repeat, I am on the side of us, the consumers. If equipment is not designed right I am going to say it. I wrote my inside AVR/BD player for a magazine that makes a living from the very same advertisers. The magazine publisher not only had no problem with this, but loved and has encouraged me to write more. It is who I am. When people look at my name, that is what I want them to think. That I will be critical and I will point out issues with products. That way there is no ambiguity and reader can tell what to do with the information I share.

While we were discussing the Regen product, I was approached to review a linear power supply. I told them right then and then that they should not send it to me if they have any expectations of how it may come out. To their absolute credit, they were 100% cool with it. And as it turned out, my review was not positive on the product. But hugely positive on the company. They did the right thing in wanting their product tested. And I think I did the right thing by not covering that up simply because I was loaned the equipment for free.

I learned a lesson long time ago from our corporate attorneys and it is the concept of "bright line." When something can be a matter of interpretation, their advice is to stay so far clear of the issue that it then becomes black and white. Be 100% respectful of female employees and then you never have to worry whether you have or have not violated sexual harassment laws. Such is the case with me. I will 100% positively on the other side of the bright line. I am an advocate of us the consumers, not the manufacturer.

Now as to dealing with friends, man that can get tough and awkward. What would I say if someone asked me what is wrong with Steve's system? My answer would be to go away :). I have not solved world peace. But have only figured out how I conduct myself when the situation is not so personal.

Would be interested to know which version of an equipment reviewer members like to see. The one that cares about the owner or us.

BTW, I own a small business but absolutely do not expect anyone to sugar coat our performance. If we do something wrong, I want to know and fix it. I don't know how to have a quality company and services otherwise.

It is beyond the realm of belief to try to try to float the notion you are some audio consumer crusader trying to protect the poor, uneducated
shopper looking for a $2500 amp. Your delusions of grandeur are really beyond the pale.
 
RE: armchair engineering gone bad...............only if you are right about the two parts NOT touching. I'm going to assume that the person taking the pictures had a better vantage point than us and made the correct call. Second guessing someone else's observations without cracking open a unit yourself is non-scientific to say the least.

You assume the person who made the annotation was the one who took the photo, this might not be the case.
 
Andre I will not warn you again: you need to control your emotions and stay with the topic than discussing posters.

I will sanction you next time. If anyone cares about you, this is the time they should tap you on the shoulder and ask you to leave this thread before we have the second coming of this situation.

Do NOT question my integrity without any proof of unethical behavior.

If you are going to moderate this thread do not participate.
 
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