KeithR's "Dream Speaker" Search

[Steve Williams]

[QUOTE="morricab, post: 585193, member: 5671?[/QUOTE]

Excuse me Brad but personally I find your post offensive and I will delete it

Kindly refrain from your attacks on members here as that is contrary to our Terms of Service

Challenge the post Brad and not the poster. You'll get along better with the mods and it might avoid your having to take a brief vacation. I hope I made my point

 

[KeithR]

In India, as kids when we wanted to play cricket or soccer, we would play it in any open space. It wouldn't matter who owned the property. And if someone's window broke in the process, it broke.

forums are based on topics, follow a TOS, and thus a structure by definition.

its exceedingly difficult for anyone to follow this thread which devalues the excellent content inside. i've received several private messages complaining about it and this discourages participation.

the option of course is to just have the mods close down the thread, but i've chosen to keep the path quasi-focused and move on. i enjoy a spirited debate like most here, but not all of them should be held on this thread.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

So you're proven wrong by a review (with measurements) by a reputable reviewer, and I'm the one making basic mistakes. OK then!

I am confused. Brad hasn’t been proven wrong by the review that you attached.

Unless i misunderstand what you are referring to?

Your attached review shows the Wilson speaker can play 110dB if served up 200 watts.

I thought the essence of Brad’s series of comments pertained to the dynamic ability of horn speakers with comparatively lower power?

I didn’t think he was referring to how loud these respective technologies can play at with low distortion. The latter is quite obviously in favour of horns though.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Bill, you heard the 117dB eff Pnoes on both 40W Nat Magmas and 1.25W TMayer 46 tubes amps in The General's large room. What was yr perception of contrast in dynamic peeformance?

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Bill, you heard the 117dB eff Pnoes on both 40W Nat Magmas and 1.25W TMayer 46 tubes amps in The General's large room. What was yr perception of contrast in dynamic peeformance?

The Mayer sounded more dynamic to me. I assume because the NAT Magma had such a high noise floor whereas it was totally silent on the Mayer.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Fascinating. That room is way larger than the norm, yet 1.25W trounces 40W.

 

[microstrip]

(...) I didn’t think he was referring to how loud these respective technologies can play at with low distortion. The latter is quite obviously in favour of horns though.

A meaningless factor for 99% of the audiophiles. Who cares about playing at 120 dB in our systems for thirty seconds to impress friends?

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Just had a quick further look at the Wilson Sasha Daw loudspeaker - they were measured in hifi news.

The EPDR of the Sasha DAW is 1.3 ohms at 63hz and 1.7 ohms at 120hz. You are going to need an amplifier with a very stout power supply that can take those very low impedances. Many amplifiers will cry (and distort) at those impedances playing at 110dB bass heavy music.
The reviewer says he put his ear guards on and could hear speech okay and it didn’t sound like it was distorting lol.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

[QUOTE="Audiophile Bill, post: 585228, member: 6717"(...) I didn’t think he was referring to how loud these respective technologies can play at with low distortion. The latter is quite obviously in favour of horns though.

A meaningless factor for 99% of the audiophiles. Who cares about playing at 120 dB in our systems for thirty seconds to impress friends?[/QUOTE]

Er - I think you don’t understand my post lol. I certainly don’t care about playing that loud at home either.
I was saying that Brad wasn’t talking about loudness but talking about dynamics.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Fascinating. That room is way larger than the norm, yet 1.25W trounces 40W.

Well mainly cos the NAT’s own dynamic range was compromised....

 

[microstrip]

Bill, you heard the 117dB eff Pnoes on both 40W Nat Magmas and 1.25W TMayer 46 tubes amps in The General's large room. What was yr perception of contrast in dynamic peeformance?

Can you tell us about your typical listening levels when listening to classical music?

 

[microstrip]

(...) Er - I think you don’t understand my post lol. I certainly don’t care about playing that loud at home either.
I was saying that Brad wasn’t talking about loudness but talking about dynamics.

I was not commenting on Brad post, just your own short comment - "The latter is quite obviously in favour of horns though. "

 

[morricab]

[QUOTE="morricab, post: 585193, member: 5671?

Excuse me Brad but personally I find your post offensive and I will delete it

Kindly refrain from your attacks on members here as that is contrary to our Terms of Service

Challenge the post Brad and not the poster. You'll get along better with the mods and it might avoid your having to take a brief vacation. I hope I made my point[/QUOTE]
Ok, sure Steve.

 

[morricab]

I still think Keith needs to hear either an Odeon 33, Horns Iniversum III or Horning Eufrodite Ellipse. I would also recommend Dynamikks of course but they can’t be found in US. for demo..

 

[Steve Williams]

Excuse me Brad but personally I find your post offensive and I will delete it

Kindly refrain from your attacks on members here as that is contrary to our Terms of Service

Challenge the post Brad and not the poster. You'll get along better with the mods and it might avoid your having to take a brief vacation. I hope I made my point

Ok, sure Steve.[/QUOTE]

I still think Keith needs to hear either an Odeon 33, Horns Iniversum III or Horning Eufrodite Ellipse. I would also recommend Dynamikks of course but they can’t be found in US. for demo..

Brad

What you fail to see is the comment you posted about a siufy. It was in poor taste. And frankly looking at the speakers you are recommending for Keith they don't seem to be available in the USA

 

[Folsom]

I'm not sure about availability or anything, but the Horning is probably in line fairly well with some of Keith's tastes, barring any funniness in their construction. They aren't like horns, they should do 3D pretty well.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Thoughts from anyone on this. Prior to getting my room, tt setup and Zu optimisation sorted, both classical and jazz were challenging to listen to. Now I can't get enough of how improved jazz sounds on the Zus. Classical has impvd but to a lesser extent. But both classical and jazz are acoustic, depend on timbral accuracy, and deep resolution and microdynamics. A jazz quartet surely puts the same demands on a system that cello, bass, viola and violin do. So, how are my Zus so compelling to me on jazz, but somewhat less compelling on classical?

Marc,

I think this broad question about your personal system is much more appropriate for your system thread than for Keith’s speaker search thread.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Have you ever heard a trumpet or violin in a normal sized room? It can be extremely loud but it doesn't have the same effect as a stereo straining to do the same. I have NEVER heard a stereo pressurize a room like a solo Stradivarius did in my 20 sq. meter room from 15 years ago...but it didn't sound hard or harsh...loud but still like one would expect a $4M violin to sound. The recordings were tough to make because I had to set the level low enough to have sufficient headroom for this sonic cannon...so they are a bit noisy as a result...nonetheless they are extremely alive recordings. Did them in pure R2R analog with a mono high end condenser microphone and good (but not great) mic preamp. In hindsight a better preamp would have made the match closer. We seem to be talking past each other because what is commonly known as hardness or harshness in terms of reproduction is not possible to have live. I hear now my daughter's trumpet playing (and squeaking, squawking and sometimes good clean notes) up close and it still doesn't exhibit hardness or harshness in the way a playback system can.

This discussion also has nothing to do with Keith’s speaker search or a comparative analysis of the speakers he has auditioned on this search.

 

[Ron Resnick]

forums are based on topics, follow a TOS, and thus a structure by definition.

its exceedingly difficult for anyone to follow this thread which devalues the excellent content inside. i've received several private messages complaining about it and this discourages participation.

the option of course is to just have the mods close down the thread, but i've chosen to keep the path quasi-focused and move on. i enjoy a spirited debate like most here, but not all of them should be held on this thread.

Well-stated Keith. But the thread is good and interesting.

Let’s keep the thread, and members should take their unrelated discussions to other threads.

 

[bonzo75]

A meaningless factor for 99% of the audiophiles. Who cares about playing at 120 dB in our systems for thirty seconds to impress friends?

This was never said by Bill or Brad