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This is what this system sounds like with 20 minutes of turn on, out of the box......
Beautiful system!

But must say I am surprised a planar is that close to the walls....
 

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Beautiful system!

But must say I am surprised a planar is that close to the walls....

I would have thought that looks about right to be honest. I've been using planars for decades so I think I am qualified to comment;)
 
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Beautiful system!

But must say I am surprised a planar is that close to the walls....

They are 4' from the back wall. They can be 2' from the back wall and sound fine. This is what this room permits, which is a normal living room with other things in the room. Of course if the room permits it then further out from the back wall can be preferable. I have my Alsyvox 10' from the back wall.

The Alsyvox can almost touch the side walls as there is ZERO energy emitted sideways from the speaker, just front and rear energy.
 

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They are 4' from the back wall. They can be 2' from the back wall and sound fine. This is what this room permits, which is a normal living room with other things in the room. Of course if the room permits it then further out from the back wall can be preferable. I have my Alsyvox 10' from the back wall.

The Alsyvox can almost touch the side walls as there is ZERO energy emitted sideways from the speaker, just front and rear energy.

Interesting...which is the more important part of the speaker that needs to be 1.2m in front or more? The treble, mid or bass? And which part might work 'ok' as close as 2 feet...the bass?
 

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Interesting...which is the more important part of the speaker that needs to be 1.2m in front or more? The treble, mid or bass?

You might get different opinions, imho it is the bass. You would get too much bass if the speaker is set too close to the back wall. Actually I've never tried them closer than the 1.2M.

I think it would also have to do with the overall room size and the width of the room. In the case of the room with the Tintoretto, I would want at least 1M from the back wall BECAUSE the left side wall is so close so you are dealing with a corner.

If there is a lot of space on both sides then you might get away with a bit less room from the speaker to the back wall.
 

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You might get different opinions, imho it is the bass. You would get too much bass if the speaker is set too close to the back wall. Actually I've never tried them closer than the 1.2M.

I think it would also have to do with the overall room size and the width of the room. In the case of the room with the Tintoretto, I would want at least 1M from the back wall BECAUSE the left side wall is so close so you are dealing with a corner.

If there is a lot of space on both sides then you might get away with a bit less room from the speaker to the back wall.
Thanks...So if the treble end was closer to the wall (by necessity) we could possibly make that work...the question then is what is the speakers are NOT on a true front wall per se...in fact, the space is an open plan of 2 rooms...with a large 10 foot wide archway in between. And the speakers would sit on one side of the archway in the corners...but where the space in between the speakers is totally open...going forward 27 feet and going backward 16 feet. Does that make a difference in terms of how you evaluate 'distance to front wall'?
 

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Thanks...So if the treble end was closer to the wall (by necessity) we could possibly make that work...the question then is what is the speakers are NOT on a true front wall per se...in fact, the space is an open plan of 2 rooms...with a large 10 foot wide archway in between. And the speakers would sit on one side of the archway in the corners...but where the space in between the speakers is totally open...going forward 27 feet and going backward 16 feet. Does that make a difference in terms of how you evaluate 'distance to front wall'?

I would defer to Daniele or Emile for their enlightenment. For me I would have to first see detailed drawings of the room, but would not make a recommendation until I made a site visit to the room.
 

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Having been an orginal Apogee Full Range owner I understand and did have those same reservations. Those bass panels could only move 2-3mm and the rear side was heavily obstructed by perforated metal sheet covered by magnets. The Alsyvox ribbons use smaller and stronger neodymium magnets on both sides of the ribbon making it a push pull system with much higher sensitivity and “control”. I have not heard the Carvaggio yet but the Botticellis have considerable more slam, power and extension then the dual 11” woofers of the Focal Utopias we have here.

I guess this type of music might be frowned upon by many but here goes:



Standing in front of them taping this feels like a nice sturdy summer breeze on the beach, wind in my hair etc :cool:

Thats my kind of music :) Whats the title of first track ?

You are in the Netherlands right ?
 

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Infected Mushroom - Army of Mushrooms - U R So F****d

Yes, the eastern part, Hengelo.
Thank you. Sorry I meant the other track...

Another topic: Your signature shows the MC2 S1400AS amps. Can you give me a short summarization of their strengths and weaknesses ? Thanks
 

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Thank you. Sorry I meant the other track...

Another topic: Your signature shows the MC2 S1400AS amps. Can you give me a short summarization of their strengths and weaknesses ? Thanks

Skrillex, Take U There

The MC2's bridged are quite a steal, they have full scale rendering, authority and control and they are pretty fast for their high power. They also match really well with the Bespoke passive.

Weaknesses, fan cooling, and not the most refined/sophisticated amps I guess, but you are going to have to spend very significantly to actually beat them in all areas, maybe even 5-10 times more.
 
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The Alsyvox can almost touch the side walls as there is ZERO energy emitted sideways from the speaker, just front and rear energy.
Have you ever tried positioning them with tweeters on the outside?
 

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Have you ever tried positioning them with tweeters on the outside?

I have not. They sound perfect to me with the tweeters on the inside as designed to be used.

On the flip I know people that listen to other planars with the fronts of the speakers facing towards the rear and also with tweeters on the outside. Whatever floats one's boat:)
 
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I have not. They sound perfect to me with the tweeters on the inside as designed to be used.

On the flip I know people that listen to other planars with the fronts of the speakers facing towards the rear and also with tweeters on the outside. Whatever floats one's boat:)

Wow, it's like you were spying on me 30 years ago! I owned the original Magneplanar 1U's (as well as the latter 1C's), and indeed many folks listened to the 1U's turned around because in that model, the magnets were only on one side (the front). The rear side gave a noticeably cleaner and more open sound. Once Maggies used magnets on both sides (as in the 1C), this became unnecessary,.

As far as tweeter placement, I think that's a personal preference. There are 2 reasons one might prefer tweeters on the outside. First, in a narrower room, outside tweeter placement may result in a soundstage of greater width which can be more enjoyable. Secondly, if one uses inboard subs, the blend between the subs and the panels is often more seamless/natural when the subs are adjacent to the bass/mid panels of the planar driver. No rules here, just preference.
 
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This is the answer to the inside/outside tweeter question from Daniele, the designer of Alsyvox speakers.

They work fine both ways but the phase relationship between the ways creates some increase of pressure on the tweeter side and this would not help the image stability and side walls reflection with tweeters outside. It is not a very big difference.
With Caravaggio it is the other way round: tweeter outside is better because phase relationship is different
In general a tweeter inside has a reflection from front wall that is more free, with tweeter outside the reflection is more easily caught by the panel so a bigger distance from front wall is needed.
 

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Some "Duke" with my new Deity mic for the Nikon (System has <10 hours on it)

 
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That microphone does seem to capture much more of the low end!

That was the first time I used the new mic. I have not yet tried it at my place. It is spec'd down to 50Hz, the camera mic starts rolling off at 100Hz.
 
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