Lampizator announcement: launch of our all new TOTL HORIZON DAC

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Ah got it. No problem. I erroneously mistook higher value for better sound quality (my bad). I don’t care about the price/value in that sense but the overall sound quality of the tube set. I’m all for a better sound quality tube set at a lower price for Lampi.

And as I said in my post two pages ago, I fully trust Lukasz’s and the team’s ears and ethos. That baseline and tube set is critical to me. Can’t wait.
 
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How to start this post regarding Horizon and in general not copy/paste all accolades that already have been mentioned/written in hundred plus pages of this thread. I guess quite a difficult task this will be. I personally knew for the Horizon project for quite some time, being even pre pandemic times (before Skynet took over), and once driving with my dear friend Norman aka @wisnon we’ve even contemplated about the name proposal which obviously was not “Horizon” :), but we still believe it was a nice contender (at least) :). Based on Yoda extreme enthusiasm at a time, we knew that he was cooking something exceptional.

Fast forward almost three years (cannot believe they passed so quick after the ordeal we witnessed and are still witnessing) and mouse gray aluminum heavy weight work of art is sitting calmly on my shelf (good feeling I must admit). I don’t have to, but I will repeat, that I’ve been lucky enough to live with quite a nice number of Lampi DACs in the previous period and I heard probably all of them in my own system so from that perspective I can say that I created a nice picture how particular DAC performs and in which “group” I could place it. I also need to state that his DACs made of me a tube collecting/rolling junkie which at the end of the day is a beautiful thing. Never will a transistor (kudos to them anyhow) put a smile on my face like inserting a 100-year-old tube collecting dust for decades and upon pressing a power ON button, starting to make a beautiful music. It is just like boundaries of time and space are gone and magic starts (reads a bit like fairytale and sometimes we do need them :)).

Going back to Horizon, it is absolutely clear on the first lifting of the flight case that many (all) things have been massively re-worked vs other units in portfolio starting from packaging, design of the chassis, quality of the chassis and color selection. What is inside of the unit I will not even mention as I’m not competent to comment but reading and seeing the tube complement this has too be the case as well. Design as such of course should not be discussed as we all have different taste, but I find Horizon gorgeous looking on pictures and even more in situ. Also, I kind of don’t pay attention too much on the rear panels but this one on Horizon I find just plain phenomenal and powerful looking. Nixie tubes also have their specific charm and with the buttons below in my mind create a nice “smile” emoticon. Selection of possible tube options to try out in Horizon is just mind boggling and one needs to keep his junkie habit of hoarding the tubes well on the leash not to get overly crazy and thanks God here I believe I did quite a good job with myself. So, in terms of pentodes, I got KT170, El156, EL51 and F2A quads on hand thanks to my great buddies in Zurich (extreme tube hoarders for TRP) while double triodes I would say I have majority of top ones excluding TS 6sn7 round plates and Bendix 6900 which to be honest I even won’t chase. Rectifiers I’m not mentioning as my head starts to spin instantly.

DAC as such is still well into burning in process but it became clear after initial several songs that all the raving from Yoda was genuine and to be completely frank, I never heard him raving about his products on this level while I would describe him as a quite humble and down to earth person. So, in all his raving there was a lot of meat on the bone. I personally find Horizon as a best blend of virtues his other DACs possess in terms of dynamics, details retrieval, slam, stage presentation, how deep it digs in terms of LF but as well as how high it can go with HF spectrum. All these attributes are nicely blended/wrapped with beautiful tonality that whenever listening I’m just craving for more and more and more music which to me is super important. I would say it does not draw attention to anything specific except ease of presentation and musicality, so there is no fatigue or whatever like that during long hours of listening that being “real” listening or just as a background music going on. Tube wise I tried quite a few and fil rouge for Horizon is that it sounds sublime with any tube I tried. I did not pay specific attention to details in this regard for time being, but few types stood out (mainly aligned with opinions in rolling thread) while for this occasion this is not too relevant.

To wrap up in one word, which I already used in tube rolling thread – it is a Masterpiece of a DAC in my honest opinion and I wish that whoever has a chance to hear it does so – it will not let you down.

@dminches - I hope I'm forgiven now :p
I simply ARGREE with you on each word you said about it GORAN! It is a Masterpiece
 

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As good as the Pacific is, the Horizon is just even better ;)
You're in for a treat :D:cool:

Period, nothing to add :) as truth as it is hard to believe for many ;)
 

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I only use 4 so I assumed it defaulted to the last used input. I guess that isn't the case. Mine always starts on 4.
Yes odd. I finish listening at input 4. Switch off at front only . When I turn it on again goes back to 5
 
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I concur that Pacific to Horizon was a bigger step than Antipodes K50 to Extreme.

But the server is very important. I was made aware of that everyday waiting for the Extreme to arrive, because for the first time ever, I used a laptop as a server. This was an absolutely dreadful, ear burning, noise maker. Invest at least $5k in a server before spending big money on a dac. Some inexpensive dacs are very listenable as they are more prone to errors of omission. Not so with inexpensive servers.
I can back you up on that
 

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There are many things I wish I could control, but I can't. The Horizon comes with the stock tubes that Lukasz has determined will demonstrate Horizons potential and sonic attributes. Am I happy about dropping over a couple of grand this week on tubes? Not really. (Horizon is not here yet) Do I wish it came with a Takatsuki 274B? Yes I do. Try to look at this from a realistic vantage point, not from our chairs. Where do you draw the line? Availability, consistency has to be taken into account. This hobby/obsession of ours comes with the unfortunate commitment aspect. I wish it didn't, but it does, its part of the deal...John Afterthought: Someday we will all die. Attempt to devour life to the best of your ability....
Well said John. He is not the Harry Potter with the wand. He can only put into commercial offering the tubes which are both in constant supply and performing well with the products. The rest of the game with tube hunting is our little mission, sometimes sad, sometimes very challenging. IMHO, it is also a knowledge gaining experience and taking the path through the hobby, when it comes to the point that there are things around the tubes which no money can buy on demand. Justice for all to face the same reality when it comes to sorting himself with a little stash.
 
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The power tubes matter but my experience has shown that the triodes matter much more.
Technically, I think the triodes ARE the power tubes in the H-Dac (of course with the pin blend with the pentodes, are they still "triodes" or some new virtual tube). LoL

See what Lukasz orginally said here:
On the Horizon tube rolling: this is going to be exciting. The 7 tubes work in a new way, never seen before in any DAC. The pentodes provide power supply regulation, active anode loading and cathode buffering - all at the same time - thanks to their 3 grids. The dual triodes provide voltage amplification and current conversion in the DAC process - so their influence is huge.
 

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Technically, I think the triodes ARE the power tubes in the H-Dac (of course with the pin blend with the pentodes, are they still "triodes" or some new virtual tube). LoL

See what Lukasz orginally said here:
On the Horizon tube rolling: this is going to be exciting. The 7 tubes work in a new way, never seen before in any DAC. The pentodes provide power supply regulation, active anode loading and cathode buffering - all at the same time - thanks to their 3 grids. The dual triodes provide voltage amplification and current conversion in the DAC process - so their influence is huge.

Part of me wants to understand all this and the other part just wants to enjoy it. I think the latter will win out.
 

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Part of me wants to understand all this and the other part just wants to enjoy it. I think the latter will win out.

If in this hobby we could manage to separate the enjoyment from understanding we would be all listening to a kitchen radio ... ;)
 

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"The dual triodes (HORIZON) provide voltage amplification and current conversion in the DAC process-so their influence is huge"

So with this unique circuitry is the life of the triodes extended? I talked with a guy who has been an audiophile for 50 years knows tubes and sells tubes. He told me typical longevity of triodes is 3000-5000 hours. He said don't believe that 10K hour nonsense. I don't know what to believe. So can someone please break it down in general what to expect in terms of tube longevity. I'm the type who is typically prepared for most things. I would like a clearer understanding of tube life with the Horizon....John
 

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"The dual triodes (HORIZON) provide voltage amplification and current conversion in the DAC process-so their influence is huge"

So with this unique circuitry is the life of the triodes extended? I talked with a guy who has been an audiophile for 50 years knows tubes and sells tubes. He told me typical longevity of triodes is 3000-5000 hours. He said don't believe that 10K hour nonsense. I don't know what to believe. So can someone please break it down in general what to expect in terms of tube longevity. I'm the type who is typically prepared for most things. I would like a clearer understanding of tube life with the Horizon....John

There is no way to truly estimate tube life, especially if you are using 70 year old “NOS” tubes. I have had some last “forever” and others fail after a couple weeks. It is pot luck. I can assure you that no one will guarantee 3000-5000 hours.

Just like computer files, have a backup if you really like the tube.
 

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"The dual triodes (HORIZON) provide voltage amplification and current conversion in the DAC process-so their influence is huge"

So with this unique circuitry is the life of the triodes extended? I talked with a guy who has been an audiophile for 50 years knows tubes and sells tubes. He told me typical longevity of triodes is 3000-5000 hours. He said don't believe that 10K hour nonsense. I don't know what to believe. So can someone please break it down in general what to expect in terms of tube longevity. I'm the type who is typically prepared for most things. I would like a clearer understanding of tube life with the Horizon....John
Tube longevity is not only determined by hours but also by on/off cycles, which generate thermionic shock. Many of us will switch our gear on / off according to use rather than leave it powered up 24/7, so it is hard to predict when the tubes will shuffle off their mortal coil. Buy the seller and hope for the best is my advice.
 

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The longest lasting tube that I have had is WE Electric 300b made in 1950's.

One pair had lasted 12k hours in Silbatone 300b SET amp, and then one of them died.

Thus I got another used pair of them last year at 5k$ in Korea.( still bargain)

Dealer demonsted it is working before handing it to me.

Nos Input tubes tend to last around 5k hours and then start making stange noise that is the sign of dying.
 
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Thanks to both: I'm buying before I have the Horizon. I'm sticking with well regarded tube reputations which comes with premium expense. Latest Tung Sol VT 231/6SN7GT. (circa 1945) Not cheap! Its a little unnerving doing it like this. The scarcity of some of these has prompted me to buy while I can.
 
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Tube longevity is not only determined by hours but also by on/off cycles, which generate thermionic shock. Many of us will switch our gear on / off according to use rather than leave it powered up 24/7, so it is hard to predict when the tubes will shuffle off their mortal coil. Buy the seller and hope for the best is my advice.

My Octave pre- and power amps have a standard "soft start" function which slowly ramps up the tubes over the course of two minutes or so. That helps with tube life.

I would never leave on tubes constantly.
 

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Thanks to both: I'm buying before I have the Horizon. I'm sticking with well regarded tube reputations which comes with premium expense. Latest Tung Sol VT 231/6SN7GT. (circa 1945) Not cheap! Its a little unnerving doing it like this. The scarcity of some of these has prompted me to buy while I can.
precisely what I have been doing. I have at least 3 sets of all my tubes. I find what works best in my system and for my ears. I tell everyone to do the same as the tube you like today may never be found later or if it is, it usually costs 3x what the original cost
 
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I've played in several WSOP tournaments, pretty intense. Tube buying could be right up there with Poker Tournaments! LOL!
 
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H -Dac owners owners already did for the French Thomsons and the Yellow tip tube. In addition there are overlaps with Baltic tubes and TRP pentodes, so the pressure is multi-faceted.
That's the benefit of sticking with the GG based dac. No longer have to compete with other DHT dac owners ;)
 

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My Octave pre- and power amps have a standard "soft start" function which slowly ramps up the tubes over the course of two minutes or so. That helps with tube life.

I would never leave on tubes constantly.
Most Lampis since 5 years have that too. I leave my Dac on for a few days at a time when doing lost of listening and standby otherwise most time. When I won't listen for a long time, I turn it off.
 

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