Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
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what I find wonderful about this entire TAS project is that from what I am seeing this is an open platform that has the ability to perform in exactly the way we as a community want it to. There is no doubt in my mind that the direction in which Emile takes this server will be based on his judgement together with the collective opinions of everyone here. IOW Emile is determined to make this the very best SQ as well as creating a metadata system that will work for all of us. I don't recall when I got a life time subscription to Roon that my input was solicited as to what I would like to see and hear.
The give and take here with respect to ideas and opinions is so vastly different than the Roon forum and community. They think they know what's best for everyone and to have an opinion there serves only for them to say we are full of hot air and don't know what we are talking about. And as I have read, only 5% of all Roon subscribers are audiophiles. So here in our neck of the woods I find that we have a manufacturer whose sole interest is to provide the best SQ to his users and to solicit our input as to how the metadata should be searched
Emile started with a blank slate and only one goal. The fact that this is a work in progress and he is soliciting our input as he goes, for me speaks volumes as to how committed he is to bring us the very best. I have made the decision that for my ears Roon is not the answer and I am all in for whatever Emile does as I feel that he has taken up the gauntlet as to metadata and is exploring all feasible options having solicited outr input
The give and take here with respect to ideas and opinions is so vastly different than the Roon forum and community. They think they know what's best for everyone and to have an opinion there serves only for them to say we are full of hot air and don't know what we are talking about. And as I have read, only 5% of all Roon subscribers are audiophiles. So here in our neck of the woods I find that we have a manufacturer whose sole interest is to provide the best SQ to his users and to solicit our input as to how the metadata should be searched
Emile started with a blank slate and only one goal. The fact that this is a work in progress and he is soliciting our input as he goes, for me speaks volumes as to how committed he is to bring us the very best. I have made the decision that for my ears Roon is not the answer and I am all in for whatever Emile does as I feel that he has taken up the gauntlet as to metadata and is exploring all feasible options having solicited outr input
Although I maintain and groom basic ID3 metadata for everything in my own collection before importing into Roon, I'm not keen about having ONLY that metadata available to me for browsing (nor the prospect of having to go back to the folder level to add a lot of new metadata for my own collection). Not sure if this is what is meant by being "in charge" of my own metadata for my own files, with the external database only being used for streaming purposes. I find that I often use genre categories, radio play based on artist/composer/album/track/etc, and all of the other connective tissue that Roon provides to lead me to and intermix my own collection with streaming music selections. So I'd favor being able to access the streaming sources as well as my own collection (with basic ID3 metadata, but not comprehensive data necessarily) in a seamless manner, perhaps coordinated through the external music database(s) metadata.
I also find that I frequently read over the album and artist reviews and lyrics, which again I'd prefer to be accessible both for my own collection as well as the streaming music. Again, this would seem to require that our own collections somehow be 'processed' or matched against this external metadata database.
Many other thoughts, but this is enough for starters. Kudos to Emile for even considering opening this, uh, Pandora's box
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We are using the Qobuz API.
Although I maintain and groom basic ID3 metadata for everything in my own collection before importing into Roon, I'm not keen about having ONLY that metadata available to me for browsing (nor the prospect of having to go back to the folder level to add a lot of new metadata for my own collection). Not sure if this is what is meant by being "in charge" of my own metadata for my own files, with the external database only being used for streaming purposes. I find that I often use genre categories, radio play based on artist/composer/album/track/etc, and all of the other connective tissue that Roon provides to lead me to and intermix my own collection with streaming music selections. So I'd favor being able to access the streaming sources as well as my own collection (with basic ID3 metadata, but not comprehensive data necessarily) in a seamless manner, perhaps coordinated through the external music database(s) metadata.
I also find that I frequently read over the album and artist reviews and lyrics, which again I'd prefer to be accessible both for my own collection as well as the streaming music. Again, this would seem to require that our own collections somehow be 'processed' or matched against this external metadata database.
Many other thoughts, but this is enough for starters. Kudos to Emile for even considering opening this, uh, Pandora's box
What we already have in the beta version is:
-Folder based browsing.
-Database based browsing using the ID3 tags of locally stored files.
-Customizable views, which can be useful for classical music, for example browsing composers.
- Qobuz/Tidal favourites, which can be integrated into your main library if so desired (the "add to library" function in Roon adds an album to your Qobuz/Tidal favourites which subsequently get added to your main library). These favourites are therefor also available in TAS. You can also browse just your Qobuz or Tidal favourites.
-A search on Qobuz/Tidal function, for example if you play an album you can search for that album on Qobuz/Tidal, search for all albums by the artist, etc.
-A configurable library rescan, automatic when albums are added, scheduled at a specific time, or manual (this can prevent automated background scanning activity while playing music).
None of this has a negative effect on sound quality.
Audible while actively used, though VERY minimal:
-A more information feature which we can link to an external metadata provider.
-A jukebox function like Roon Radio, this can be tied to an external music suggestion provider.
To explore:
-External metadata providers.
-External music exploration services (suggestions).
Hi Emile,
I've mentioned briefly my preference for file-based browsing based on my organization:
composer/artist -> pieces/album -> track
(classical/contemporary)
My folder/file naming scheme provides all the metadata I need. Even with "Prefer File" selected everywhere possible, Roon would still force its own composition grouping and titles here and there. There were other strange incidents with Roon metadata, but I don't think it's productive to say anything more about them here.
So my main request is to have the ability to use the folder structure, and to use it without exception when so designated.
Thanks for asking. This software development effort is so appreciated.
EDIT: Much of this has come about because of Roon's desire to take on too much. I do not need or want an entertainment center, or a tool to do music research. Contrary to what a member has said below, sound quality must trump all other factors (and with Emile at the helm I know it will).
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The problem I run into goes something like this general example:
I enter Composer "X" into the Roon search field and 25 albums show up. But, I know "X" should have at least twice as many albums showing in this search. If I then enter "X piano", lo and behold, 5 more albums pop up on the main albums list that are inexplicably absent from the original search.
For those who like to go on a treasure hunt for music when using Roon, this may be fun. But, I'd like to see all the albums, in one place, where "X's" name is part of the meta data.
Hint for advanced treasure hunters: If you click on a link for the composers name you'll go to a short bio with picture of "X" and will also find two links: "Performer" and "Composer." In the case of "X", under the Composer link, there are literally 387 compositions listed under "Qobuz." There are tiny album cover thumbnails which are repeated, for some sadistic(?) reason for every track of every album. However, here you can find some gems which have not yet been divulged by your earlier search, so it's definitely worth squinting your eyes and going through the 387 long list.
I haven't checked out any of the classical oriented players, but I can't imagine they are organized like this.
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I have no thoughts about operational mechanisms. But I do know is that the file hierarchy management system of Roon can certainly be improved. Playlists have limited flexibility (I'd like to put some music files in separate folders such as for genres or artists). The bookmark feature is also not very useful as they can't be edited. (i.e. you can make a bookmark from a playlist but you can't make a playlist from a bookmark). Even the old iTunes file management system was better than Roon's, and that's not saying very much!
Most importantly, the metafiles available for the vast majority of selections are often on-existent or minimal with Roon. For some CDs. you are lucky to get a pdf. This can be greatly enhanced and would be most welcome. Liner notes, liner notes, liner notes!!! I want them for all recordings! The commentaries and reviews (those that are there) for many artists and ensembles are a key strength of Roon when they are present. For example, look at the commentary for "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson. With the hyperlink feature, the Roon commentary takes you on a very complete tour of progressive rock and roll over 20 years by following the linkages of Robert Fripp. Very worthwhile education yet concise (2-3 pages)! This is why Roon is essential viewing. For classical music and jazz, it's like a mini Penguin guide (anybody remember those?). But it can be greatly improved.
Sonics are one thing or course, but the flexibility of the information environment is also highly important and in some ways, more important. Let's get real. Furtwangler's Beethoven 9th may be the "best" one ever recorded (or perhaps the one by Toscanini) but no server or player software is going to turn a sow's ear into a sonic silk purse. Of course I want the sonics from a player, but there's a lot more to consider for an ideal complete turn-key package.
Most importantly, the metafiles available for the vast majority of selections are often on-existent or minimal with Roon. For some CDs. you are lucky to get a pdf. This can be greatly enhanced and would be most welcome. Liner notes, liner notes, liner notes!!! I want them for all recordings! The commentaries and reviews (those that are there) for many artists and ensembles are a key strength of Roon when they are present. For example, look at the commentary for "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson. With the hyperlink feature, the Roon commentary takes you on a very complete tour of progressive rock and roll over 20 years by following the linkages of Robert Fripp. Very worthwhile education yet concise (2-3 pages)! This is why Roon is essential viewing. For classical music and jazz, it's like a mini Penguin guide (anybody remember those?). But it can be greatly improved.
Sonics are one thing or course, but the flexibility of the information environment is also highly important and in some ways, more important. Let's get real. Furtwangler's Beethoven 9th may be the "best" one ever recorded (or perhaps the one by Toscanini) but no server or player software is going to turn a sow's ear into a sonic silk purse. Of course I want the sonics from a player, but there's a lot more to consider for an ideal complete turn-key package.
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Hi Marty,
In case you are ever curious to listen to it...this is a particularly nice remastering of Beethoven's 9th 1942 - Furtwangler
https://www.pristineclassical.com/products/pasc250?_pos=6&_sid=542bf910a&_ss=r
From MusicWeb International:
For those who want a recording of Furtwängler’s famous 1942 account this is the best I have heard.
Wilhelm Furtwängler’s legendary 1942 Berlin performance of Beethoven Choral Symphony has been available on several labels. I have the performance on the Archipel Desert Island Collection ARPCD 0002 and on the Société Wilhelm Furtwängler SWF 891R.
Each restoration engineer will have wanted to improve the sound quality of previous attempts. On this Pristine Audio release Andrew Rose in September and October 2010 carried out the XR re-mastering. Yes, there is still some occasional fuzziness; however, I was particularly impressed by the reduction in the background hiss. A number of the worst coughing episodes have been removed and much of the fierceness arising from peak distortion has been effectively smoothed away. The recording is vastly improved but it’s still not perfect. I make the appeal to try and listen through the sound quality because this is a truly great performance of real historic significance.
This 1942 Berlin performance has gained legendary status and is said to be an example of Furtwängler’s rebellious response to the stresses of working with the Berlin Philharmonic as cultural propagandists for Hitler’s Third Reich. Whether this is a true reflection of the situation or not this is certainly a heartfelt account of astonishing tension from Furtwängler’s tortured soul.
In the opening movement I was struck by the ferocity of the propulsive climaxes and the sense of torment and anger. The Scherzo is so powerful and brisk. That overt sense of incredible anguish unleashed in the fortissimos is practically demonic. Dark foreboding flows from the depths through the double-basses and cellos. It would be implausible that Furtwängler is doing anything other than venting his angst through this troubling music. An eerie sense of calm pervades the slow movement. The beautiful playing of the woodwind choir and the sonorous strings add to the poetic atmosphere. In the crowning finale with its famous choral setting of Schiller’s Ode to Joy the fury returns marked by the vehemence of the drums. Darkling intimations from the double-basses and cellos send a shiver down the spine. The entrance of the baritone soloist and Choir comes as a welcome relief. I found the singing ardently incisive throughout. At the close of the score the exultation is unalloyed.
For those who want a recording of Furtwängler’s famous 1942 account this is the best I have heard.
Michael Cookson
In case you are ever curious to listen to it...this is a particularly nice remastering of Beethoven's 9th 1942 - Furtwangler
https://www.pristineclassical.com/products/pasc250?_pos=6&_sid=542bf910a&_ss=r
From MusicWeb International:
For those who want a recording of Furtwängler’s famous 1942 account this is the best I have heard.
Wilhelm Furtwängler’s legendary 1942 Berlin performance of Beethoven Choral Symphony has been available on several labels. I have the performance on the Archipel Desert Island Collection ARPCD 0002 and on the Société Wilhelm Furtwängler SWF 891R.
Each restoration engineer will have wanted to improve the sound quality of previous attempts. On this Pristine Audio release Andrew Rose in September and October 2010 carried out the XR re-mastering. Yes, there is still some occasional fuzziness; however, I was particularly impressed by the reduction in the background hiss. A number of the worst coughing episodes have been removed and much of the fierceness arising from peak distortion has been effectively smoothed away. The recording is vastly improved but it’s still not perfect. I make the appeal to try and listen through the sound quality because this is a truly great performance of real historic significance.
This 1942 Berlin performance has gained legendary status and is said to be an example of Furtwängler’s rebellious response to the stresses of working with the Berlin Philharmonic as cultural propagandists for Hitler’s Third Reich. Whether this is a true reflection of the situation or not this is certainly a heartfelt account of astonishing tension from Furtwängler’s tortured soul.
In the opening movement I was struck by the ferocity of the propulsive climaxes and the sense of torment and anger. The Scherzo is so powerful and brisk. That overt sense of incredible anguish unleashed in the fortissimos is practically demonic. Dark foreboding flows from the depths through the double-basses and cellos. It would be implausible that Furtwängler is doing anything other than venting his angst through this troubling music. An eerie sense of calm pervades the slow movement. The beautiful playing of the woodwind choir and the sonorous strings add to the poetic atmosphere. In the crowning finale with its famous choral setting of Schiller’s Ode to Joy the fury returns marked by the vehemence of the drums. Darkling intimations from the double-basses and cellos send a shiver down the spine. The entrance of the baritone soloist and Choir comes as a welcome relief. I found the singing ardently incisive throughout. At the close of the score the exultation is unalloyed.
For those who want a recording of Furtwängler’s famous 1942 account this is the best I have heard.
Michael Cookson
Metadata providers that I am aware of (from the dBpoweramp CD ripper program):
PerfectMeta
Discogs
GD3
MusicBrainz
freedb
TrackType
CD-ISRC
GraceNote, as someone else posted, is also a metadata provider.
I don't have any idea as to the accuracy/effectiveness of any of these providers, however in aggregate they seem to do a very good job of providing metadata tags for all all but the most obscure of the CDs I rip.
Allmusic.com is the provider Roon uses for review content.
Steve Z
PerfectMeta
Discogs
GD3
MusicBrainz
freedb
TrackType
CD-ISRC
GraceNote, as someone else posted, is also a metadata provider.
I don't have any idea as to the accuracy/effectiveness of any of these providers, however in aggregate they seem to do a very good job of providing metadata tags for all all but the most obscure of the CDs I rip.
Allmusic.com is the provider Roon uses for review content.
Steve Z
Hello All,
First time posting here after years of lurking.
I'd like to start with a big shout of thanks to @CKKeung and the community here for some of the great work and many items of inspiration. Kudos. Keep it up please.
Reason for posting is that I find the whole Roon SQ discussion disturbing. As @Steve Williams pointed out so eloquently - us audiophiles aren't really Roon's main demographic. Worse still the culture over on Roon forums is so bad that if you even suggest that Roon Labs should spend more of the money we are paying them on improving SQ then you get routinely attacked by flat-earthers who refuse to countenance that RAAT may not be divine perfection. Funnily enough the same usual suspects who so enthusiastically 'educate' us that cables can NOT influence the sound quality in any ways whatsoever.
Speaking of which, big thanks to Mark for the awesome 2020 USB. Thanks @Sablon Audio
I'd an exchange with Danny, the Roon CEO, a few years ago where he completely brushed off my suggestion that they spend more time and effort on sound quality with a fairly dismissive, "Roon is heavy, Squeezebox is light" and that was the end of the convo. With Danny anyway, several of his acolytes added helpful comments about my imagination, sanity and confirmation bias
Anyway, it's worth repeating what others commented, that Innuos made great progress with their 'experimental mode' which sort of manages a best of both worlds approach by using Roon as the Server/Core but then playing to a Squeezebox player within the Zenith that sounded better to start with but is also configured to playback from RAM and thus doubly improves the SQ. Sounds WAY better than just Roon. Allows you to keep the Roon UI/UX that you paid for. But is unfortunately a bit flakey. In my case it plays flawlessly until you skip a track or pause and then it can skip/stutter and struggle to regain it's momentum. However it sounds great - so totally worth it!
I'll get to the point.
@Taiko Audio the Extreme sounds (from reading about it I mean, not had the pleasure of hearing one) like an awesome server and an amazing result after what was obviously loads and loads of work. I read @ray-dude brilliant reviews over at Audiophile Style (still hate that new name!) and salivated. That said there is no way I can or would spend £26k on any HiFi item. And I say that as someone who felt I was batsh*t crazy when I spent £7k on my Zenith SE a couple years ago. (and I just spent another £2k on the Phoenix to improve it).
The reality is that I don't see myself being able to even stretch to the Extreme Mini when it comes out. But I'm sure that like many others I'm intrigued by the TAS software. I'm also thinking that there is probably a far bigger market for the software than the Extreme. I'd very respectfully suggest that perhaps 0.01% of audiophile server buyers can/would fork out the sort of money the Extreme costs. But I'd imagine that a far higher percentage would consider the TAS software.
Do you mind if I ask if TAS is being built in such a way that it is specific to the Extreme and wouldn't work on say an NUC?
I know that selling software is a very different business model. Far more support intensive than hardware for example. But perhaps further down the road there is an opportunity to partner with someone to license the software.
As a side note PS Audio have been working on server software to replace Roon for the last couple years. I love PS Audio but have my doubts as they are a hardware company and not a software one. They also have no experience with building servers.
Like many others here I've paid a lifetime subscription at Roon but would still drop it like a stone if someone else (PS Audio, yourself, anyone really) comes up with a comparable user experience that also sounds much better.
Anyway, just a thought.
I'll let you guys get back on topic
Cheers,
Alan
First time posting here after years of lurking.
I'd like to start with a big shout of thanks to @CKKeung and the community here for some of the great work and many items of inspiration. Kudos. Keep it up please.
Reason for posting is that I find the whole Roon SQ discussion disturbing. As @Steve Williams pointed out so eloquently - us audiophiles aren't really Roon's main demographic. Worse still the culture over on Roon forums is so bad that if you even suggest that Roon Labs should spend more of the money we are paying them on improving SQ then you get routinely attacked by flat-earthers who refuse to countenance that RAAT may not be divine perfection. Funnily enough the same usual suspects who so enthusiastically 'educate' us that cables can NOT influence the sound quality in any ways whatsoever.
Speaking of which, big thanks to Mark for the awesome 2020 USB. Thanks @Sablon Audio
I'd an exchange with Danny, the Roon CEO, a few years ago where he completely brushed off my suggestion that they spend more time and effort on sound quality with a fairly dismissive, "Roon is heavy, Squeezebox is light" and that was the end of the convo. With Danny anyway, several of his acolytes added helpful comments about my imagination, sanity and confirmation bias
Anyway, it's worth repeating what others commented, that Innuos made great progress with their 'experimental mode' which sort of manages a best of both worlds approach by using Roon as the Server/Core but then playing to a Squeezebox player within the Zenith that sounded better to start with but is also configured to playback from RAM and thus doubly improves the SQ. Sounds WAY better than just Roon. Allows you to keep the Roon UI/UX that you paid for. But is unfortunately a bit flakey. In my case it plays flawlessly until you skip a track or pause and then it can skip/stutter and struggle to regain it's momentum. However it sounds great - so totally worth it!
I'll get to the point.
@Taiko Audio the Extreme sounds (from reading about it I mean, not had the pleasure of hearing one) like an awesome server and an amazing result after what was obviously loads and loads of work. I read @ray-dude brilliant reviews over at Audiophile Style (still hate that new name!) and salivated. That said there is no way I can or would spend £26k on any HiFi item. And I say that as someone who felt I was batsh*t crazy when I spent £7k on my Zenith SE a couple years ago. (and I just spent another £2k on the Phoenix to improve it
).The reality is that I don't see myself being able to even stretch to the Extreme Mini when it comes out. But I'm sure that like many others I'm intrigued by the TAS software. I'm also thinking that there is probably a far bigger market for the software than the Extreme. I'd very respectfully suggest that perhaps 0.01% of audiophile server buyers can/would fork out the sort of money the Extreme costs. But I'd imagine that a far higher percentage would consider the TAS software.
Do you mind if I ask if TAS is being built in such a way that it is specific to the Extreme and wouldn't work on say an NUC?
I know that selling software is a very different business model. Far more support intensive than hardware for example. But perhaps further down the road there is an opportunity to partner with someone to license the software.
As a side note PS Audio have been working on server software to replace Roon for the last couple years. I love PS Audio but have my doubts as they are a hardware company and not a software one. They also have no experience with building servers.
Like many others here I've paid a lifetime subscription at Roon but would still drop it like a stone if someone else (PS Audio, yourself, anyone really) comes up with a comparable user experience that also sounds much better.
Anyway, just a thought.
I'll let you guys get back on topic
Cheers,
Alan
Thanks for the additional detail, Emile. A few completely personal additional thoughts, based on your comments above. Part of me would find it ideal to just be able to switch over 100% to the SQ-first software and dump Roon (which I have used since early-pre-Meridian Sooloos days and applaud for moving the music server software game forward a long way). But I definitely feel the bloat--their priority seemingly 'to be all things to all people/preferences/hardware/etc.' So I could give up many of its embellishments in exchange for a SQ prioritized program that met most--or at least the most critical--of my personal needs. That may or may not happen, understandably.
The alternative and my 2nd choice would be to use your SQ-prioritized program primarily when it comes to playing back my own collection, with fewer Roon-like features and less metadata. Then I'd switch over to Roon for some of those other linking and cross-referencing and extended metadata features that tie to Qobuz/Tidal and additional 3rd party services, "Radio' play, and so forth. But I'd prefer this 2nd option to seeing your program trying to become 'all things to all people' (even if those people are limited by folks who share a certain hardware foundation, however that becomes defined).
Thanks.
Hello All,
First time posting here after years of lurking.
I'd like to start with a big shout of thanks to @CKKeung and the community here for some of the great work and many items of inspiration. Kudos. Keep it up please.
Reason for posting is that I find the whole Roon SQ discussion disturbing. As @Steve Williams pointed out so eloquently - us audiophiles aren't really Roon's main demographic. Worse still the culture over on Roon forums is so bad that if you even suggest that Roon Labs should spend more of the money we are paying them on improving SQ then you get routinely attacked by flat-earthers who refuse to countenance that RAAT may not be divine perfection. Funnily enough the same usual suspects who so enthusiastically 'educate' us that cables can NOT influence the sound quality in any ways whatsoever.
Speaking of which, big thanks to Mark for the awesome 2020 USB. Thanks @Sablon Audio
I'd an exchange with Danny, the Roon CEO, a few years ago where he completely brushed off my suggestion that they spend more time and effort on sound quality with a fairly dismissive, "Roon is heavy, Squeezebox is light" and that was the end of the convo. With Danny anyway, several of his acolytes added helpful comments about my imagination, sanity and confirmation bias
Anyway, it's worth repeating what others commented, that Innuos made great progress with their 'experimental mode' which sort of manages a best of both worlds approach by using Roon as the Server/Core but then playing to a Squeezebox player within the Zenith that sounded better to start with but is also configured to playback from RAM and thus doubly improves the SQ. Sounds WAY better than just Roon. Allows you to keep the Roon UI/UX that you paid for. But is unfortunately a bit flakey. In my case it plays flawlessly until you skip a track or pause and then it can skip/stutter and struggle to regain it's momentum. However it sounds great - so totally worth it!
I'll get to the point.
@Taiko Audio the Extreme sounds (from reading about it I mean, not had the pleasure of hearing one) like an awesome server and an amazing result after what was obviously loads and loads of work. I read @ray-dude brilliant reviews over at Audiophile Style (still hate that new name!) and salivated. That said there is no way I can or would spend £26k on any HiFi item. And I say that as someone who felt I was batsh*t crazy when I spent £7k on my Zenith SE a couple years ago. (and I just spent another £2k on the Phoenix to improve it
The reality is that I don't see myself being able to even stretch to the Extreme Mini when it comes out. But I'm sure that like many others I'm intrigued by the TAS software. I'm also thinking that there is probably a far bigger market for the software than the Extreme. I'd very respectfully suggest that perhaps 0.01% of audiophile server buyers can/would fork out the sort of money the Extreme costs. But I'd imagine that a far higher percentage would consider the TAS software.
Do you mind if I ask if TAS is being built in such a way that it is specific to the Extreme and wouldn't work on say an NUC?
I know that selling software is a very different business model. Far more support intensive than hardware for example. But perhaps further down the road there is an opportunity to partner with someone to license the software.
As a side note PS Audio have been working on server software to replace Roon for the last couple years. I love PS Audio but have my doubts as they are a hardware company and not a software one. They also have no experience with building servers.
Like many others here I've paid a lifetime subscription at Roon but would still drop it like a stone if someone else (PS Audio, yourself, anyone really) comes up with a comparable user experience that also sounds much better.
Anyway, just a thought.
I'll let you guys get back on topic
Cheers,
Alan
Hi Alan,
Thank you for coming on stage and posting your observations and perspectives over the years.
We very much see this software project as an opportunity to deliver innovation and sound quality uplift not only to Extreme Owners but to other passionate audiophile market segments as well and in particular the DIY Audio community.
The software tuning for more modest hardware will be different, but having cracked the code for the optimisation process on the Extreme's heavy iron, developing and tuning for little brothers can be expected to go smoothly
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