YG Acoustics Announces Sonja XV Loudspeaker

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DaveC

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This explains everything. It looks like you have a lot of nice gear with nowhere to put it. Your comments on audio rooms must come from envy or ignorance of what's actually possible with a proper setup.

I also can't believe the credentials you previously claim, the comments you made about DSP earlier show a pretty massive amount of ignorance wrt room acoustics and what DSP can and cannot accomplish.

Perhaps you should put your ego aside and be open to learn things from the massive amount of actual experience members here have? :)
 

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Haha, you think my speakers are too small for my room? Tell this to all my audiophile visitors who invariably comment on my "big sound". While it's big, it's not big enough for orchestra.

I have heard larger speakers in similar sized rooms; you get similar limitations for the size of soundstage, as I already said (that is different from the body of sound on orchestra, which can indeed be portrayed better by larger speakers).

No, the room is simply too small for appropriate size portrayal of orchestra. Actually, hardly any room is big enough, at least when you take the very wide perspective from the front rows in the hall, which is the perspective of a lot of microphone placement during recordings. A recording from a mid hall perspective is another matter.



Of course they do, since the room as such, without additional measures taken, is limited.

By the way, the distortions that I hear depend on certain surfaces, for example, on the ceiling. This is not a matter of structural reinforcement. It's reflections, not resonances. In this case diffusers help.

Al, it sounds you do believe that you have some room limitations with your current system set up. Who am I to argue. So when do you break ground on the new purpose build room?
This explains everything. It looks like you have a lot of nice gear with nowhere to put it. Your comments on audio rooms must come from envy or ignorance of what's actually possible with a proper setup.

I also can't believe the credentials you previously claim, the comments you made about DSP earlier show a pretty massive amount of ignorance wrt room acoustics and what DSP can and cannot accomplish.

Perhaps you should put your ego aside and be open to learn things from the massive amount of actual experience members here have? :)

No envy. My Porsches stable would make a fine purpose built room I suppose, but there is no need for it as the videos clearly give you a glimpse of. You want to be disrespectful go ahead water off this duck’s back. It appears that it is you who needs to educate yourself on the latest DSP room correction techniques and options because it sounds like you think that DSP is just about equalization. The latest DSP algorithms are much more than EQ, they are advanced step function transforms with correction in the time and frequency domain. Much for you to learn.
 
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This explains everything. It looks like you have a lot of nice gear with nowhere to put it. Your comments on audio rooms must come from envy or ignorance of what's actually possible with a proper setup.

Yes, this explains everything. I guess Carlos would be shocked when he would hear what's possible with a proper setup.
 

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Yes, this explains everything. I guess Carlos would be shocked when he would hear what's possible with a proper setup.

Lol. Too funny. Post a video of one of my reference tracks played back on your system and let me hear what I’m missing. I like to compare and hear where you are coming from. Post the video tonight let us all hear for ourselves what you have that I would be shocked with. I like to hear how it compares to my systems. I’m waiting.
 

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Lol. Too funny. Post a video of one of my reference tracks played back on your system and let me hear what I’m missing. I like to compare and hear where you are coming from. Post the video tonight let us all hear for ourselves what you have that I would be shocked with. I like to hear how it compares to my systems. I’m waiting.

If you would know me, I don't post system videos.

In any case, the way your system collections clutter your rooms proves that it's pointless to even try to discuss a concept like a proper soundstage with you.

Soundstage by the way is something that will never be adequately reflected in a video.
 
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If you would know me, I don't post videos.

In any case, the way your system collections clutter your rooms proves that it's pointless to even try to discuss a concept like a proper soundstage with you.

Soundstage by the way is something that will never be adequately reflected in a video.

Al take the Pepsi challenge. Don’t hide behind a keyboard show me how good you have it and how flawed my clutter rooms are. Step up to it. My videos are out there already. Time to put up or shut up.
 

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Al take the Pepsi challenge. Don’t hide behind a keyboard show me how good you have it and how flawed my clutter rooms are. Step up to it. My videos are out there already. Time to put up or shut up.

Time to put up or shut up?

No, this is not worth my time. Have a good night.
 
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Pardon me ..!

Would you happen to have any grey poupon..?
Time to put up or shut up?

No, this is not worth my time. Have a good night.

proof of the superior intellect of our members! no disrespect meant toward Carlos either.

it was going to go down hill fast. and it would not have been pretty at the bottom.:eek:
 
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proof of the superior intellect of our members! no disrespect meant toward Carlos either.

it was going to go down hill fast. and it would not have been pretty at the bottom.:eek:
A bowl of cereal late night will help us all Mike. :D
 

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I think we’re way off topic, but it’s an old thread....(I hope I didn’t break any taboo of not mentioning...)

This is another example of an expert in the field who cannot accept that there are other methods to achieve excellent results without the scientifically methodological step by step including measurements and calculations.

I guessing most here are highly educated people. As such, they do consider some of the measurables, but often think outside this box reasoning some audio excellence that they’re after cannot be measured. They ask themselves what ifs, take their best educated guess and choose a component/tweak/mod, then learn from this experience whether positive or negative. When they share their findings with each other, the learning curve drastically shortens. Through this educated trial and error, they elevate their systems.

Now anybody can claim they have an excellent audio system, and for them it’s subjectively true. But I do know that many on this forum, with elaborate/expensive what many would say “best of the best”, travel to listen to each other’s systems. They have developed a consensus on what is audio excellence. This consensus rises above just data point to a point of reference.

So the bottom line, demo each other’s system, try to understand what their system goals are, try to work out an agreement on what defines excellent audio. Do that, and everyone wins.

Our audio acuity is much more complex than the current science can define (perhaps I should have started with this one).
 

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I was going to chip in. Not so sure now Lol.
<cue applause from Carlos AND his opponents>
 

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I think we’re way off topic, but it’s an old thread....(I hope I didn’t break any taboo of not mentioning...)

This is another example of an expert in the field who cannot accept that there are other methods to achieve excellent results without the scientifically methodological step by step including measurements and calculations.

I guessing most here are highly educated people. As such, they do consider some of the measurables, but often think outside this box reasoning some audio excellence that they’re after cannot be measured. They ask themselves what ifs, take their best educated guess and choose a component/tweak/mod, then learn from this experience whether positive or negative. When they share their findings with each other, the learning curve drastically shortens. Through this educated trial and error, they elevate their systems.

Now anybody can claim they have an excellent audio system, and for them it’s subjectively true. But I do know that many on this forum, with elaborate/expensive what many would say “best of the best”, travel to listen to each other’s systems. They have developed a consensus on what is audio excellence. This consensus rises above just data point to a point of reference.

So the bottom line, demo each other’s system, try to understand what their system goals are, try to work out an agreement on what defines excellent audio. Do that, and everyone wins.

Our audio acuity is much more complex than the current science can define (perhaps I should have started with this one).

Hi Carlos! :D
 

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I've really enjoyed this back and forth. @Carlos269 I always assumed that the pictures you've shown were your audio warehouse and you had never shown the main living room of your house where your system was. My audio room is a place where the entire family goes to listen to music, or because its so quite, read a book or take a nap. I believe the ascetics of the room are as important as the system.

Consider me enlightened on the benefits of listing to music in an audio warehouse.
 

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I've really enjoyed this back and forth. @Carlos269 I always assumed that the pictures you've shown were your audio warehouse and you had never shown the main living room of your house where your system was. My audio room is a place where the entire family goes to listen to music, or because its so quite, read a book or take a nap. I believe the ascetics of the room are as important as the system.

Consider me enlightened on the benefits of listing to music in an audio warehouse.

Interesting, most visitors are wowed by our house. Never thought of it as an audio warehouse. My wife doesn’t let me put my equipment up in the family shared rooms or areas in the house, with the one exception of the Alon Wolf (pre-Magico) extreme designed speakers driven by the quartet of Goldmund monoblocks amplifiers. I’m sadly confined to my seven dedicated rooms/listening areas spaces throughout the house. I’ m not allowed to put any of my audio equipment in the four family dens in the house or in any of my wife’s rooms in the house or in the pool house.

Post a picture of your set up, I like to see what all it is that I’m missing.

By the way, I rather call my areas an audio lab than an audio warehouse, Our house’s modern/contemporary design and style aesthetics are very important, check out the pictures of our formal living room.
 

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My wife doesn’t let me put my equipment up in the family shared rooms or areas in the house, with the one exception of the Alon Wolf (pre-Magico) extreme designed speakers driven by the quartet of Goldmund monoblocks amplifiers. I’m sadly confined to my seven dedicated rooms/listening areas spaces throughout the house. I’ m not allowed to put any of my audio equipment in the four family dens in the house or in any of my wife’s rooms in the house or in the pool house.

Honestly I thought there was no way you were married when I looked at the silly amount of gear you have all over.
 

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Here you go....clutter is the enemy.

 

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Whoa, a vanity/marital relations crossover thread. With hint of interior design.
Call the Cognitive Behavioral Therapy squad. And the Feng Shui decorators.
 
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