DSPeaker Anti-Mode X4

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I really haven't talked with others with experience using the DSPeaker Anti-Mode X4 in a system where listening is done from the far field. I see no reason why the X4 would not prove equally transparent in such circumstances. I also don't think far-field listening would impair its ability to smooth the measured and subjective frequency response at the listening position, but that's just a guess, not something I have from direct experience or even reports of others.

I have listened in the near field rather consistently in my listening rooms for decades. I encourage everyone to listen near-field. You really don't know what you have, speaker-wise or recording-wise, unless you do. Eight feet or more back you are largely listening to your listening room's small-room acoustics rather than the frequency response or space (real or artificial) actually captured on the recording. Room treatments can reduce that problem, but not nearly as effectively as when one listens near-field.

While you are correct that listening in the near field gives you less of the second venue effect of overlaying your listening room's acoustics on the sound captured in the recording, the gains produced by near-field listening are primarily in the midrange and highs. The room's bass modes are not negated much by near-field listening, at least not until you get to somewhere really close to the speakers, like one meter away or less and even I don't routinely listen that close up.

Part of good system set up is to find spots for the speakers and listener which work well in your particular room with your particular speakers in terms of producing as smooth a bass response, with as little sharp reflections of mids and highs from room surfaces as possible BEFORE applying electronic equalization. Thus, with good set up, the speakers are aimed away from the walls and toward your ears, absorption and/or diffusion is used to treat all room surfaces near the specular reflection points of the speakers as viewed from the listening position, and the distances of speakers and listener from floor, walls, and ceiling are all carefully adjusted. With speakers which, like my Harbeth M40.2s, have inherently quite smooth mids and highs, given such set up, the room treatments basically take care of mid and high frequency problems.

That leaves the bass. Careful positioning of speakers and listener can smooth bass response quite a bit. Still, even with careful positioning of listener and speakers, in many rooms, especially with speakers with generous bass response like the Harbeths, you will still need electronic equalization to smooth the response below 200 - 300 Hz or so, to allow evenly tempered bass lines and elimination of the dreaded "one note bass" problem. And in my experience all electronic equalizers work best in correcting the bass range when they have as little to correct as possible.

Still, as noted in my comments, with the X4, even in my near-field set up allowing the X4 to make very minor corrections above 500 Hz seems to further improve the sound of my M40.2 set up.
 

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Good thoughts. Thanks.

Just curious about one more thing which I don't think you've commented on in your review. To your knowledge, does the DSPeaker alter time and phase coherence? While the Harbeths have exemplary frequency domain coherence, time and phase don't seem to be priorities, since the drivers are wired out of phase and the crossovers are not first order. Perhaps this isn't a critical issue with these speakers since the goal seems to be for all the drivers to come together in the near field, given their heritage as monitors. But for speakers like Vandersteen, Theil, etc which emphasize the time domain, would the DSPeaker become problematic if used solely in the digital domain as an equalizer?
 

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Smoothing frequency response at the measured/listening position also usually works toward correcting phase response at that spot. Thus, I see no reason why the X4's equalization would adversely affect the phase response at the listening/measuring position of any speaker. That applies for any equalizer, whether used in the digital or analog domain. The idea that equalization somehow messes adversely with phase response is an audiophile old wives' tale.

Speakers like the Vandys and Thiels which produce time-correct impulse response at a small well-defined position (the primary listening axis) usually fall apart tonally and phase wise away from that axis. The room sound is thus more of a mess both frequency- and phase-wise than with many ordinary speakers. See, just for example, the off-axis frequency response of the Vandersteen 7 in figure's 6 and 7 of the measurements section of Stereophile's review here. This makes perfect sense since the very means of creating that in-phase on-axis response--physical offset of the drivers and first-order crossover networks--mean that from the side the drivers are definitely not lined up in such a way as to produce a time-coherent wavefront.
 

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I have a Meridian 518 that matches word length, performs jitter reduction, acts as a digital preamp, etc. However, it does no equalization. This is connected to a dac (DAC DAC 1 tl) whose signature I would love to keep, but tone down some of the high end. Pretty much everything sounds bright to me these days. I'm sure its my ears that have changed over the years and not the specific dac as all of my current sources sound this way. The only thing I can listen to pain-free are my Sennheiser HD580s and I much prefer not wearing headphones. I have the opportunity to buy an RDQ-1 or a DEQ2496. If I understand correctly, both of these perform similar functions to the Meridian, with the additional ability to EQ. Did you ever use the Behringer as a completely digital device, without using the analog stages? Is it worth a little more to buy a much older RDQ-1?

I do have a tube amp that I built that doesn't offend but the dynamics just aren't there compared to my current amp, a Pass Labs Aleph. The cheapest solution is to pad down the tweeter a bit, but I prefer not to change the crossovers in my Theil speakers? It is an option, however.
 

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I do think that the Z-Systems rdq-1 is better sounding than the Behringer DEQ2496. I used both exclusively in digital in/digital out configurations. Both have significant learning curves and for best results both require using an external measuring program to know what you are doing, although the Behringer does have some auto-EQ functions which work reasonably well. But while I thought the Z was highly transparent apart from the desired frequency response change, I thought the Behringer added noise as well as transistory nastiness to the highs. I would go with the rdq-1 if you can find one and can afford it. See my comments

My other thought is that you could attack your excess high frequency problem either via room treatment or changing your speakers. Thiels were designed with an unusual definition of flat high frequency response. They are "flat" even at considerably off-axis angles. This causes a lot more high frequency reflection off your listening room walls than with many other speakers and thus will tend to sound irritatingly bright even though they may measure flat on axis rather than rising in the highs. You could add absorption, such as in the form of fiberglass or foam batts to cover those wall sections near first and second reflection points of the speakers. Or, you could just swap speakers for something like Vandersteens which like the Thiels have "time coherent" crossovers, but generally sound fuller in the midbass and less bright in the highs.
 

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Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. Your description of the Thiels is correct. Turning the speakers to get an off axis response is only marginally noticeable. That was my thought about padding them down. I suppose I could just try it and see what happens as it is a cheap experiment.

The room is small and I am much closer to the speakers than I would prefer (12 feet or so, and only about a foot off the rear wall). It's not great, but it's what I got. I'm thinking that the roof pitch forces most of that reflection to the floor. But, honestly, I'm not sure. I have used treatments in my previous house and proved to me the difference the room makes. I will put something on the wall behind the speakers. That might reduce the feeling that sound is getting thrown at you. I have used room correction in this room using a couple of Minidsp products but didn't like the result. The sound from Minidsp sounded closed in and flat with little sound stage. It was the flavor of the device, not the actual correction. I wouldn't even use it in my car (where I do use a dsp). I use correction on mt Home theater and very much enjoy it.

I'm suprised that the Behringer had that effect even as a digital source. I have a Behringer RTA that actually sounds decent, in spite of the fact that it uses A to D conversion before the dsp and only has D to A outputs. I used to process my subs years ago before I got room correction on my home theater. It was fine for that but don't think it is up to snuff for the Thiels. I am very much leaning toward the RDQ-1 at this point, but might just look into automatic room correction. I have used room correction software, RTAs, EQs, delays, etc on HT in the past, so not really intimidated. Home theater is just much more forgiving than a stereo set up. You do make a case for the transparency of the RDQ-1.

Thanks for your time. I found your posts thoughtful and inciteful.

*edit* I just connected the Behringer RTA/EQ and it sounded terrible. Worse than Minidsp. Ok to mic a room and calculate a response curve, but I would never use it as a throughput device.
 
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If you have a sloping ceiling that may be an issue. I read somewhere that if that's the case you are best having the speakers at the lower end. If you think the ceiling is an issue try temporarily jamming some absorbers (a folder duvet say) with a 'T' shaped piece of wood.

Coffee tables and leather chairs can also increase high frequencies.

I have used a Behringer DEQ2496 in digital only for fourteen years and have never noticed any noise or other problems although many do report it. I use Room EQ Wizard to do the measuring and manually apply the filters. It does take a while to understand it all and it only has balanced XLR in and outs. For me I wouldn't be without it.
 

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I just came across this very interesting thread. I've owned a number of the EQ units mentioned in the first post, most recently the Anti-Mode 2.0, and I have the same array of Benchmark gear. I thought about buying an X4, but decided instead on the miniDSP DDRC-22D, which implements Dirac Live in digital-to-digital setup (between the Bluesound Vault 2i which is my primary source and the DAC3). The miniDSP is by far my favorite of the various EQ units I've used, and I'm curious if the OP has heard this unit.
 

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No, I have not heard the miniDSP units. My need for a separate DSP equalizer has evaporated since I now use both Roon and the Dutch & Dutch 8c speakers. Both have on-board parametric and other DSP equalization capabilities. My current systems are detailed at this link.

And, in my room with the 8c speakers set up as I currently have them, I hear no need for EQ beyond the basic 8c settings corresponding to their distance from the wall behind them and the nearest side wall. I have tried further smoothing the measured frequency response (I use OmniMic V2 for measuring) using the 8c DSP parametric EQ, but hear no improvement from this exercise. The D&D 8c speakers in my room with my current set up yield truly fabulous results "right out of the box"!
 

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Thanks for the quick reply! I just read the D&D thread. Those are not in my immediate future, but definitely on my radar now. I have just come across this forum, and I'm really enjoying your threads (in fact, they're keeping me from working this morning :) )
 

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Hello Tom:

I hope you are doing well.
A while back you did a very favorable review on the DSpeaker Antimode X4 device. I purchased one close to 2 years ago and have been very happy with it’s performance, however there is one issue which comes up once in a while. I get a popping static sounding noice through my speakers. My fear is it will do damage to my speakers. From reading your recent posts, it appears you do not use one in your system any more. Do you have any thoughts as to what could cause this sound. Thanks for any feedback. I went back and forth with DSpeaker and could not get any solution.

Sam
 

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A while back you did a very favorable review on the DSpeaker Antimode X4 device. I purchased one close to 2 years ago and have been very happy with it’s performance, however there is one issue which comes up once in a while. I get a popping static sounding noice through my speakers. My fear is it will do damage to my speakers. From reading your recent posts, it appears you do not use one in your system any more. Do you have any thoughts as to what could cause this sound. Thanks for any feedback. I went back and forth with DSpeaker and could not get any solution.
Not Tom but I am using an X4 for my three subs and it makes no noise at all. Are you using it with main speakers and when do you hear these sounds?
 

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Not Tom but I am using an X4 for my three subs and it makes no noise at all. Are you using it with main speakers and when do you hear these sounds?

Hello Kal:
Thanks for your response. I am using the X4 for my main speakers in a 2 channel set up. The noise is quite infrequent and hard to tell when it will show up. It almost sounds like a static discharge. I uses the X4 strictly for room calibration. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam
 

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I had a similar issue but it ended up being a faulty RCA connector at the unit’s output and not my DSP unit itself.
 

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Thanks Bruce. So you are saying there was a problem with the the RCA connector at the Primary output of the X4. I am running all balanced cables and have changed them out and still get the occasional static sounding pop. The unit does a great job and I hate to get rid of it, however i have fear that it could do damage to my speakers, although the noise is not very loud.
 

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I had a similar issue but it ended up being a faulty RCA connector at the unit’s output and not my DSP unit itself.
I did have a hum problem with the RCA cables initially but that was resolved by replacing the cables.
I am using the X4 for my main speakers in a 2 channel set up.
Are you using it only for the main channels, no sub?
 

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Yes, just using for the main 2 channels and no subs.
 

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Yep, the power cable is quite tight and I even put a block of wood under it to keep it from moving. I am using Cardas Clear Beyond XL power cords. I made a change to the head room adjustment moving it to "more" from the "normal setting. I want to see if this will help.

Thanks,
Sam
 

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Yep, the power cable is quite tight and I even put a block of wood under it to keep it from moving. I am using Cardas Clear Beyond XL power cords. I made a change to the head room adjustment moving it to "more" from the "normal setting. I want to see if this will help.
Good luck. I have used it only for subs and not had any problems.
 

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