Mid 50's RCA tape

Pacha

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Does anyone know who manufactured the tape used by RCA on their 2 track tapes in the mid to late 1950s?
I've found that when I'm listening to mine, I almost never see any residue on the pinch roller or heads no matter how many I play.
When I play more modern 4 track commercial tapes from many different manufactures, I have to clean the heads and pinch roller after just a few tapes.
 

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Don't know, but my RCA 2 track tapes from that era are all acetate. So are many of my early 4 track stereo tapes from the early '60's. Mylar replaced acetate for more modern tapes. Not sure whether that was the difference. The only RCA tape I have that indicates the origin is a Fiedler tape manufactured by Magtec. This is mylar tape and has a very different cover and reel (all black) than the other RCA tapes. Most of my London tapes indicate that Ampex manufacturered them. They are both acetate and mylar, depending on age.

Obviously there are pros and cons to acetate vs. mylar, but mylar definitely won out over time. I haven't checked whether my acetate tapes play cleaner than my old mylar tapes.

Larry
 
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Don't know, but my RCA 2 track tapes from that era are all acetate. So are many of my early 4 track stereo tapes from the early '60's. Mylar replaced acetate for more modern tapes. Not sure whether that was the difference. The only RCA tape I have that indicates the origin is a Fiedler tape manufactured by Magtec. This is mylar tape and has a very different cover and reel (all black) than the other RCA tapes. Most of my London tapes indicate that Ampex manufacturered them. They are both acetate and mylar, depending on age.

Obviously there are pros and cons to acetate vs. mylar, but mylar definitely won out over time. I haven't checked whether my acetate tapes play cleaner than my old mylar tapes.

Larry
The difference between acetate and Mylar might be the answer. The only question I have about that is my Maxell XL I don't leave any residue either and I don't believe they are acetate.
 

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The difference between acetate and Mylar might be the answer. The only question I have about that is my Maxell XL I don't leave any residue either and I don't believe they are acetate.
I don't have much experience with Maxell R2R tapes, only a couple of reels obtained randomly. I remember they were the most expensive tapes (or at least one of the most expensive tapes) you could buy. I'm quite sure that the commercial tapes didn't use Maxell for their reproduction. It may be that Maxell did more work in polishing their tapes before selling them, so they would play cleaner. In the past 15 years I have mostly used various forms of the current RTM tapes (EMTEC, Mulann, Pyral, BASF, Agfa, RGMI etc) as well as ATR and Capture. All are mylar based and most of them have a little bit of shedding when they are first played. However, as they are played, the problem basically becomes less of an issue.

I clean my tape heads pretty religiously before playing a tape. Some tape brands definitely have more shedding than others (talking about new tapes from current producers). None are significant if you are pretty good in tape head hygiene.

Larry
 

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I clean my heads and tape path before each session. On the 2 track machine that I play the Maxell and early RCA tapes on, I clean and proceed to play as many tapes as I'd like to listen to that session and all is good. On the later 60s and 70s, 4 track commercial tapes, I'll clean at the start of the session and need to re-clean after every two or three tapes. That was the reason for posting the question.
 
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Thanks, for tape playing - cleanliness is next to godliness. Biggest disaster I had was playing a tape with sticky shed. Even though it stopped only a few minutes into playing the tape - it was a big mess to clean up. Stuff was on the heads, lifters, guides, everywhere. Larry
 

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Thanks, for tape playing - cleanliness is next to godliness. Biggest disaster I had was playing a tape with sticky shed. Even though it stopped only a few minutes into playing the tape - it was a big mess to clean up. Stuff was on the heads, lifters, guides, everywhere. Larry
Ouch! Not a mess I want to deal with. Keep enjoying your tapes, not many of us still listen to this superb analog playback.
 

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One of the ways to identify an acetate tape is to hold the side of the reel up to a bright light source. If the light is visible the tape is acetate, if not it is Mylar.
 
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One of the ways to identify an acetate tape is to hold the side of the reel up to a bright light source. If the light is visible the tape is acetate, if not it is Mylar.
Thank you, I'll try that when I get off work.
 
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RCA, as much to my knowledge from having been a pre-recorded reel collector, always supplied their own tape stock under the branding "Red Seal". It was red acetate during the 2T era (1954-1959) and brown acetate in the early 4T era (1960-1964). Starting somewhere around 1965 (basing this on having Elvis tapes and The Sound of Music soundtrack), they changed to a rusty-orange color polyester; until Magtec became their duplicator in 1971 and used Scotch 203 formula with a dark grey oxide.

The Magtec 7 1/2 reels from the early '70s of Bowie's RCA albums are FANTASTIC (as well as their quad recordings by Ormandy and the Phila. Orchestra). However, the Scotch 203 formula IS prone to losing its lubrication and leaving your pinch roller chalky white(!). I once remember reading an archival Billboard article from 1972; where, a rep. from Magtec (at the time) was still committed to releasing consumer reel to reel as a format and: he'd said Magtec only duplicated their tapes at 4x the speed (vs. the way Ampex, usually, had duped them between 60 - 90ips). The WORST pre-recorded garbage, though, was Columbia House. THAT was a total insult to what consumer reel to reel was/is capable of. Columbia House duplicated at 130ips USING MASTERS EQ'D FOR *CASSETTE*.

Ampex (generally) used Ampex formula 642 brown polyester; however, when a Pop album tape was a big seller: a lot of reissues were made on Scotch 190 formula. There are often multiple copies of the same Ampex-manufactured tape, I've found, where the stock and the reel design were completely different according to the regional seller supply of it.
 
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RCA, as much to my knowledge from having been a pre-recorded reel collector, always supplied their own tape stock under the branding "Red Seal". It was red acetate during the 2T era (1954-1959) and brown acetate in the early 4T era (1960-1964). Starting somewhere around 1965 (basing this on having Elvis tapes and The Sound of Music soundtrack), they changed to a rusty-orange color polyester; until Magtec became their duplicator in 1971 and used Scotch 203 formula with a dark grey oxide.

The Magtec 7 1/2 reels from the early '70s of Bowie's RCA albums are FANTASTIC (as well as their quad recordings by Ormandy and the Phila. Orchestra). However, the Scotch 203 formula IS prone to losing its lubrication and leaving your pinch roller chalky white(!). I once remember reading an archival Billboard article from 1972; where, a rep. from Magtec (at the time) was still committed to releasing consumer reel to reel as a format and: he'd said Magtec only duplicated their tapes at 4x the speed (vs. the way Ampex, usually, had duped them between 60 - 90ips). The WORST pre-recorded garbage, though, was Columbia House. THAT was a total insult to what consumer reel to reel was/is capable of. Columbia House duplicated at 130ips USING MASTERS EQ'D FOR *CASSETTE*.

Ampex (generally) used Ampex formula 642 brown polyester; however, when a Pop album tape was a big seller: a lot of reissues were made on Scotch 190 formula. There are often multiple copies of the same Ampex-manufactured tape, I've found, where the stock and the reel design were completely different according to the regional seller supply of it.
Thank you, this was the information I was hoping to find!
 

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Thanks, great to know about the history of RCA tapes. Larry
 

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