Nah. I sus it on my own."The battle of the Alpha speakers" sounds like a catch phrase Jay could have come up with !You guys !
Nah. I sus it on my own."The battle of the Alpha speakers" sounds like a catch phrase Jay could have come up with !You guys !
I believe there is a thickening in the sound around the 3-rd lowest note that she sings in the song.
I believe there is a thickening in the sound around the 3-rd lowest note that she sings in the song.
Its when she sing the word "Gold" every time you hear it, it is different
The amps all reproduce this particular word with slight difference.
Recording A:
Gold has a extra emphasis on the o section of the word, and it is "muddier" by a tince. Room ambience is also subdued, slightly
Recording B:
Gold has a more clear articulation, now it is emphasis less muddied. Still "O" is very lightly blurred
Recording C:
Gold now sound like "correct" with a resonance or a deeper emphasis, but all of the "O" sound is fully clear.
I'm gonna go with recording C. And this "amp" seems to control speaker the best.
But "B" has most of the "tube" beauty...
There is a in room resonance here (or a multiple), its about 220 to 300hz... its a peak. Am I far off?
Well, that is what I noticed, the word "Gold" when sung deep, was different sounding, so I focused on that.Even if this were correct, would it really matter if one word was slightly different in all 3 cases - would that change the assessment of overall system sound or a component?
You were correct!Those woofer towers could really be affecting the sound, I think.
Thank you for responding.I believe there is a thickening in the sound around the 3-rd lowest note that she sings in the song.
Its when she sing the word "Gold" every time you hear it, it is different
The amps all reproduce this particular word with slight difference.
Recording A:
Gold has a extra emphasis on the o section of the word, and it is "muddier" by a tince. Room ambience is also subdued, slightly
Recording B:
Gold has a more clear articulation, now it is emphasis less muddied. Still "O" is very lightly blurred
Recording C:
Gold now sound like "correct" with a resonance or a deeper emphasis, but all of the "O" sound is fully clear.
I'm gonna go with recording C. And this "amp" seems to control speaker the best.
But "B" has most of the "tube" beauty...
There is a in room resonance here (or a multiple), its about 220 to 300hz... its a peak. Am I far off?
I was expecting Alsyvox to be the best loudspeaker at this year's Munich.That does not sound like a good apogee speaker. There are many bad apogee speakers
IF given the chance to set up an alsyvox demo at a show. Just for fun…I was expecting Alsyvox to be the best loudspeaker at this year's Munich.
I wouldn't swap them for my Duettas.
Last year, I would have pleaded for a swap.
Difference? Lesser Alsyvox speakers that to me sounded completely not run in plus solid state throughout the chain.
Daniele didn't want to carry on with Lucasz and I can definitely understand that. But last year's Alsyvox system was so completely ahead of this year's on subjective grounds I thought it beggared belief. Whilst I might not like the dude at all, that specific Horizon (needs qualifying because any Lampi model generally does not sound the same as another of the same type due to tube selection and user specification requirements) plus the same manufacturers (Plinius) amps I would put at reference class after 45 years in the hobby.
Old, unserviced original spec and misjudged refurb Apogees aren't and don't cut it. Decent, well judged recent ones do cut it way above ridiculous Alsyvox prices.
Just being honest to my own perceptions here.
You need to hand in your audiophile card.Even if this were correct, would it really matter if one word was slightly different in all 3 cases - would that change the assessment of overall system sound or a component?
I think using the Wilson Crossover is an excellent idea...it allows Ron to customize the subtowers in a way that cannot apparently be done internally within the Gryphon towers themselves.Hello Ron,
A few ideas to consider...
...If you want to use the bass towers get a Wilson ActivXo so you can low pass the towers at 30Hz or so. Whatever is needed so they are below the Clarysis. I think the bass towers would make a good sub bass unit for the clarysis but overlapping them too much is going to blur the sound.
Feel free to ignore. Just my 2c.
He does not have one, he is a honorary member only !You need to hand in your audiophile card.
He can have mine, it’s a ‘Gold’ card.You need to hand in your audiophile card.
Hello Ron,
A few ideas to consider.
The next time you get some guys over get the bass tower up on some furniture sliders so you can more easily push them around. Putting them to the outside of the Clarysis seems to be the correct place for them. But moving them slightly closer or farther from the claryisis will make a noticable difference.
If you want to use the bass towers get a Wilson ActivXo so you can low pass the towers at 30Hz or so. Whatever is needed so they are below the Clarysis. I think the bass towers would make a good sub bass unit for the clarysis but overlapping them too much is going to blur the sound.
Feel free to ignore. Just my 2c.
I was expecting Alsyvox to be the best loudspeaker at this year's Munich.
I wouldn't swap them for my Duettas.
Last year, I would have pleaded for a swap.
Difference? Lesser Alsyvox speakers that to me sounded completely not run in plus solid state throughout the chain.
Daniele didn't want to carry on with Lucasz and I can definitely understand that. But last year's Alsyvox system was so completely ahead of this year's on subjective grounds I thought it beggared belief. Whilst I might not like the dude at all, that specific Horizon (needs qualifying because any Lampi model generally does not sound the same as another of the same type due to tube selection and user specification requirements) plus the same manufacturers (Plinius) amps I would put at reference class after 45 years in the hobby.
Old, unserviced original spec and misjudged refurb Apogees aren't and don't cut it. Decent, well judged recent ones do cut it way above ridiculous Alsyvox prices.
Just being honest to my own perceptions here.
IMHO one thing is certain -- running the towers full range up to 200Hz is not really going to work. Trying to get this to work is likely an exercise in frustration. So, if Ron wants to keep the bass towers then we need a crossover to roll them off at some frequency. I suggested 30Hz as that is the lowest the Wilson ActivXo crossover will go. But the actual frequency would be based on some REW measurements to see where the Clarysis rolls off in the room at the listening position. If done correctly we can find the zone that will give the smoothest bass with a rolloff at the bottom to be able to smoothly blend in the towers.30 hz is pretty low and makes for a poor handoff , IMO no sub is gonna suffice unless he limits the low Frequency of the main panels ...!
With proper amplification Those Clarysis will not suffer for low bass nor will you lose the delicate balance between the mid/Highs ..!
IMHO one thing is certain -- running the towers full range up to 200Hz is not really going to work. Trying to get this to work is likely an exercise in frustration. So, if Ron wants to keep the bass towers then we need a crossover to roll them off at some frequency. I suggested 30Hz as that is the lowest the Wilson ActivXo crossover will go. But the actual frequency would be based on some REW measurements to see where the Clarysis rolls off in the room at the listening position. If done correctly we can find the zone that will give the smoothest bass with a rolloff at the bottom to be able to smoothly blend in the towers.
I think what you are saying is that no subwoofer is going to work with the Clarysis. We would just have to disagree on that topic.