Acapella & amps

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marslo

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Acapella are my dream speakers , one day , Einstein amps seem to be a safe choice but this is OTL . During last AVS in Warsaw it was paired with Polish Marton top of the line SS design, not convinced me though. Maybe Vitus Masterpiece would?
 

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David

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Thanks for your answer Marslo,

Martion seems to be a VERY powerfull amp ... not sure it is enough delicate for Acapella ; and not sure Acapella need so much power ...
About Einstein : it seems that the recommended model is an Hybrid integated model. Not my priority choice.
Also OTL is not for me ...

I prefer to study a full tube solution or SS solution. Or a mix tubes / SS, but with separates devices in that case : tube preamp & SS amp.
Any experience with the new line from PASS Labs ? or with AVM too ?

i ask about Pass because i have listened to the DAC - Preamp VERMEER Two (made by ex part members of Audio Aero team) , and i liked a lot this device not only for his DAC - LAN section, but also for his Analog Preamp section & Tube output section.
And i have discussed with a Distributor of Vermeer Audio who told me that the combination is great with Pass Labs.
So Vermeer Two + Pass power amp(s) is something on my list for my new system.

I ask about AVM too, because the prices are not too high and because the feedbacks are good about the sound.
Also, with AVM there is a nice possibility of setups ; because the Serie 8 preamp can be used with both SS board or Tube board.
So with the same devices in hands, possible to make the choice to listen with a setup :
Tube preamp + SS amps (6.3) or Hybrid amps (8.3)
or
SS preamp + SS amps (6.3) or Hybrid amps (8.3)

To resume, what is on my list to study a setup around Acapelle is :
1) Zanden Modern line (full tubes)
2) Vermeer + Pass (mix tubes & SS)
3) AVM (full SS or mix tubes & SS)

Any usefull comments / feedbacks are welcome !
 

marslo

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As you can see on my signature I have Audio Aero La Fontaine and sometimes I use it also as a pre during listening session of power amps, very good one btw.
I think this is an exceptional peace of gear and a keeper, I am also in touch with Brundo Ginard from Vermeer Audio , maybe one day will upgrade my La Fontaine to Vermeer Two specification. Good to know there is a synergy with Pass amps, will bear it in mind. For time being I use it on regular base as a transport of cds for my Pacific DAC over BNC, very good combination, its VRDS neo mechanism is another advantage of La Fontaine.
Unfortunately Zanden is not represented in Poland, but it seems to be a very good make.
 
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David

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As you can see on my signature I have Audio Aero La Fontaine and sometimes I use it also as a pre during listening session of power amps, very good one btw.
I think this is an exceptional peace of gear and a keeper, I am also in touch with Brundo Ginard from Vermeer Audio , maybe one day will upgrade my La Fontaine to Vermeer Two specification. Good to know there is a synergy with Pass amps, will bear it in mind. For time being I use it on regular base as a transport of cds for my Pacific DAC over BNC, very good combination, its VRDS neo mechanism is another advantage of La Fontaine.
Unfortunately Zanden is not represented in Poland, but it seems to be a very good make.
Hi,
nice system.
i have a friend who is owner of both AA La Fontaine & AA La Source. So we have been able to make direct comparaison of the sound from the DAC + Preamp sections of both with the DAC + Preamp sections of the Vermeer Two. You should like even more what you will hear with the Vermeer.
The ex Audio Aero devices were already very good (even Capitole and Prestige models in the past), but really Vermeer has made a big improvement with their new babies (the TWO is the first model ; another one is on the pipeline for presentation at Munich).
Coming back to Acapella, it is really a manufacturer who has created superb speakers.
And i like a lot the finishes in pearl white ; very pure ... totally different, but Black + red horns is also very nice.
 
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jturbo

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I have been using the lampizator pacific version 211 anps with the Acapella cellini and now campanielle2 speakers for the past few years. Both speakers are amazing paired with tubes and are driven nicely with the 211s.
 
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Hi Everyone, so sorry for missing this.

With Acapella, you will hear your amplifier so it's important to select one that you really love. I like the Zanden voicing, in general, and I think that either of their amps -- the Classic with the 845s or the Modern with the KT120s -- would have enough power to drive the LaCampanellas, or the Cellini (regular, or high version).

We've been fans of the Audio Aero sound for a long time. Vermeer inherits their IP (at least that of the LaSource and the LaFontaine), and so I would expect the voicing to be similar, with evolution over time. I've found that these pieces do play well with others.
 
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Here are a few more notes regarding amplification for La Campanella 2 or Cellini.

At Capital Audiofest 2018, our East Coast Acapella dealer, Dave Cope of Old Forge Audio, showed La Campanella 2, and we attended to support him. Old Forge distributes Pure Audio electronics from New Zealand. Dave brought their mono amps (USA retail is about $10K) and their better preamp, also IIRC about $10K. Sound was really good. You could use a tube pre with those SS monos ...

Here at Audio Fed, we really like Audio Note UK. I think that a Jinro would be a super choice for either of these loudspeakers.The Jinro is an integrated (copper version of the Ongaku) ...if you want to add a preamp (M5 or M6), then the stereo power-amp version of the Jinro (called Jinro Shochu) would really be awesome.

For you Lamm fans out there -- I'd suggest LL2.1 Deluxe plus either of the hybrid monos -- M1.2 or M2.2 ...

I've tried to keep a bit of a handle on the cost of the above suggestions ... none of these are inexpensive, but I think that all of them are, for me, a good value and a good match.

I'm a little shy about posting my own suggestions; we sell Lamm and ANUK, but not Pure Audio. I'm happy to answer questions about the sound of any of these combinations.
 

David

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Hello Neli
thanks for this feedback. I'm sure that the LAMM hybrid monos M1.2 or M2.2 should be something interesting to discover in combination with La Campanella 2 or Cellini.
Do not hesitate to tell more about such a combination :)
 
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Hi David,

The Lamm sound is sophisticated and natural, very well controlled and even across the frequency range. The Acapella loudspeakers are dynamic and highly transparent to upstream electronics so it's really a nice match.

The M1.2 have plenty of power for any of the Acapella loudspeakers. Sonically the M2.2 are a little less pure ... so if you are buying new then definitely M1.2, but if you are in the secondary market and found M2.2., then they should be considered. The two models are almost exactly the same cost, so it's easy to make the correct choice for one's loudspeakers. How big is your room?

The LL2.1 Deluxe is such a cool little full tube preamp, and IMO a huge value. Compared to the L2 Ref, warmer, bigger, not quite as resolute. Responsive to tube changes, although nicely tubed as it comes out of the factory. Always get the Deluxe version of these (LP2.1 as well).

Just saw this (haha, email notifications?) got a few things to catch up on then will write more about the sound.

All the best,
 
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Hi Steve,

Oh yes, ML3, LL1.1, that would be wonderful, as you well know. And clearly better. But ... the LaCampanella 2 are $26K, and the standard version Cellini, $45K. The amplifiers suggested in David's original post are on the (haha, none of these things are inexpensive) ... less expensive end of the high end spectrum. So I don't want to imply that we ... must have more costly amplification. We have (and have shown) Cellini with Acapella's own hybrid integrated amp, which is an outstandingly nice match, and a beautifully compact solution, but about $110K.

In general, the Acapella loudspeakers become more efficient (db/w/m) as we go up the line ... so the LaCampanella 2 / Cellini enjoy a bit more power. For some customers, ML2.1/2.2 would be plenty (in fact, that would be me). But ... David seemed to be looking for more power, and so from both a price perspective and trying to address the question ... the hybrids came to mind as a nice match.

With a little more budget, I'd say Campanile 2, in a smaller room, would do perfectly well with the ML2.2, or OMG with the ML3 in any size room, as would the even better Acapella loudspeakers -- our Apollon, or the Triolons.

You are so lucky, with those ML3s, fantastic.

Kindest regards,
 
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David

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Dears Neli & Steve,
Thanks for your answers.
Indeed Hybrid models would be a better choice for me ..; not that the full tubes Lamm are not good (they are i'm sure), but just because i prefer to have a mix tube / solid state in my system.
The question of price is an important thing too, for sure :)
i will study the question of Lamm hybrid models ; thanks for the advices & feedbacks Neli.
I will come back here after a little more reflexion ...
All the best
 

David

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PS : Neli, about the room : 2 possibilities in fact :
My main listening room is 45 square meters ... it is a dedicated room. I can put the speakers at any needed position.
My living room is 40 square meters (+ an open kitchen 15 square meters) ; but into the living room i need to setup the speakers with less distance from the front wall (quite close)
i mention that because in fact, i want to buy a second system. in addition of my current one.
My initial idea was to install this second system into my living room (but if needed i can switch the systems / rooms)
From your experience, Acapella need approx. which minimal distance between rear of speakers and the wall ?
 
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In case any one in EC is looking for a pair of M1.2R, I am selling mine. They are original 230V models and have the wood crates.
 
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We very much understand the appeal of a dedicated room -- in fact, of a really good room, @jturbo's got one -- but I like music that fills the house. So I love the living room/kitchen system ... I always want music when I'm cooking.

The short answer to your question about positioning close to the front wall is ... yes, works really well.

The Acapella Cellini and up have sealed cabinets and can go really quite close to the front wall. It's convenient to be able to get behind them. The newer hyperspherical horn shape does pretty well close to the side walls too. LaCampanella 2 are bottom ported (when you look at pictures, the speakers are sitting on platforms. These are integral to the loudspeaker and define both the port distance and the material against which the port fires. These can also go close to the front wall, but I think that they will want to be a little further out than the Cellini. If you have the rack in the center then I would strongly prefer that the front of the cabinets, and the horns, are in front of the rack.

So .. what's "close"? Just measured here, and I think that 40-50 cm (15-20 inches) behind the rear of the cabinet is a good starting point. I usually start with about an inch of toe in. If you actually get some of these and want to post some pics I'm happy to help with the positioning; I have a lot of positioning heuristics in my head that are a little hard to put into words. Small adjustments in positioning will yield big results (not just for Acapella ...).

I get the sense from timezone and meters that you are not in the USA -- USA customers always get onsite setup.

One more thing -- the Lamm hybrids look and act pretty much like a SS amp, that front end tube has a long life, they're really fuss free. Tube amps in general require a bit more care and feeding.
 

David

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Hello Neli,
Yes i am for Europe ; and i will investigate more about Acapella speakers at next Munich show.
My first contact with the speakers of this manufacturer was really positive ... I have the feeling that it could be the good speakers for me. They are very nice too and my wife seems to be ok for such models into our house :) It can help i must say :) :)
Thanks for your feedback / comments. What you say is very interesting for me ; particularly the possibility to setup the speakers into a living room with possibility to be quite close to the front wall. Approx. 40-50 cm (15-20 inches) would be perfect for me.
I will wait for this second opportunity to be in touch with Accapella at Munich (no distributor / no dealer into my country unfortunately).
Then i will take decision about the model , and will choose the electronics for this second system.
Lamm hybrids are on my list now ; thanks for your advices !!!
 

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I have heard Acapella many times over the years and I must say when it was connected to Audio Note tube electronics, the sound was natural and easy to listen to. Twice when the Audio Note was on the system at one of the shows it was hard to get a seat because no one would get up and leave the room. Just my two cents.
 
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Hi David,

Munich. :cool::D:). Mike and I went last year for the first time; it was the most. fun. trip. ever. Acapella usually shows at Hifi Deluxe, at the Munich Marriott. Along with Acapella's show system, they normally bring some / many / most of the other loudspeakers for static display, so that you can see them in person.

The MOC itself is overwhelming (in a good way); it's impossible to hear everything. And also the records/software, omg. Have a fabulous time.

You can probably tell, I love these loudspeakers; they catalyzed the start of Audio Federation and changed my life. I think that they look like art. For you and your wife (this is fun but it takes me and Mike forever to choose) ... cabinets in general can be black or white, and horns any automotive finish or RAL color. There are also wood veneers available for the Cellini cabinets. Every pair is built to order.

Acapella handles distribution to some European countries directly. They have a showroom in Duisburg, Audio Forum. If this is anywhere near you, or if life brings you near there ... the Spharons are still set up in the big room at the shop, and that is truly a mind bending experience that I can't recommend too highly. You can reach Hermann Winters (managing director), acapella at acapella dot de, to arrange an audition (for the smaller speakers too, of course).

And of course if you are ever near us in the San Francisco Bay area of California, we'd love to have you visit.

All the best,
 

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