Are cables with large network boxes primarily for high-powered SS amps?

caesar

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Transparent, MIT, Ansuz, and a few others have the network boxes on their cables. Are these primarily for SS amplifiers?
 

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No, but I bet, if you were to poll, most would be SS users
 
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Those network boxes are just equalization units with attached cables.
No they are not. Their filters are tuned to frequencies at less over one hundred of kHz. They do not affect the frequency response in the audio band. As almost all other cables, their influence in sound quality is poorly understood and presented in a voodoo like style by manufacturers and dealers.

And yes, not all network cables are equal.
 
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Transparent, MIT, Ansuz, and a few others have the network boxes on their cables. Are these primarily for SS amplifiers?
Considering that network cables are tuned we can imagine that their performance will be maximized with low impedance output amplifiers, so we can expect that they will have more acceptance with SS owners than tubes. Some manufacturers (Transparent Audio and MIT , as far I know) tune some of their top cables to either tubes or SS.
 

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What’s inside those boxes?
 

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Is that a typo?
Any frequency response curves?
Yes, Martin Colloms published them in HFN long ago. As far as I remember the crossover was around 180 KHz.

Are you able to provide any frequency response that substantiates your previous claim?
 
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What’s inside those boxes?
Thanks, but IMHO it would be nice if you could summarize the video content at less in one short sentence or point the interesting time to see.
 
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People who have SETs horns go for signal purity so keep these out

Those with SETs cones might consider swapping these out for Odin (https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/lamm-ml3-ll1-at-last.26525/page-12#post-558590 )
As I own a pair of decent SETs I have measured I find amusing that people refer to signal purity using amplifiers that seriously distort the signal ... :) IMHO SETs can sound great, but it is for many reasons that are not related to signal purity.

But unfortunately my opinion on this affair is only speculative - my Transparent Audio Opus MM2 cables are not tuned to the Lamm SETs and my experience was not a proper one. However some people have reported me excellent results with properly tuned TA cables with SETs.

Did you listen to SETs with Odin sounding great or are you just suggesting?
 

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As I own a pair of decent SETs I have measured I find amusing that people refer to signal purity using amplifiers that seriously distort the signal ... :) IMHO SETs can sound great, but it is for many reasons that are not related to signal purity.

But unfortunately my opinion on this affair is only speculative - my Transparent Audio Opus MM2 cables are not tuned to the Lamm SETs and my experience was not a proper one. However some people have reported me excellent results with properly tuned TA cables with SETs.

Did you listen to SETs with Odin sounding great or are you just suggesting?
I was referring to your speculation in that linked post that Odin might solve issues.

I purposefully referred to SETs horns. SETs and cones will distort and I have never suggested that combination
 
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I'm not sure what the filter boxes are in these other cables, but my cables used a tuned series termination. Changed with each cable length. Now that really worked for all situations. I'm selling that cable technology now. I don't build them anymore.
 
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I find it interesting that after 30 years, still only TA and MIT in this space - and one came from the other.
In the case with MIT it may have to do with patents. It is also interesting that after 30 years and all of the disparaging comments about these two brands that they are still in business and seem to be quite successful. Given the prices and all of the negative comments I’m really surprised that they are as popular as they are.
 
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In the case with MIT it may have to do with patents. It is also interesting that after 30 years and all of the disparaging comments about these two brands that they are still in business and seem to be quite successful. Given the prices and all of the negative comments I’m really surprised that they are as popular as they are.
Are you joking Peter? Negative comments on WBF affecting popularity of cables? ;)

Curiously the situation with MIT and Transparent has changed along time - for a long time I have found that their top cables were in general very good, but the middle and lower ranges were not competitive. Nowadays their middle and lower prices represent excellent value for money and not only with high power solid state amplifiers, but also with most typical 50-100W middle price amplifiers.
 

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