First Covid 19 vaccine recipient

[Barry2013]

Latest UK Govt figures report 1m plus people currently infected with Covid out of population of around 60m.
60k plus new cases, nearly 1k deaths and 3k plus hospital admissions yesterday.
Threat level 5 meaning hospitals at risk of being overwhelmed.
1m plus people vaccinated to date.
Why wouldn't you get vaccinated at the earliest opportunity?

 

[ack]

Kudos to Israel for vaccinating at a very rapid pace

 

[Gregadd]

Yup, over 350K today. The most outrageous thing I've heard from "friends" is what they heard on opinion news, that only those who died with no clear underlying symptoms are to be counted - all 6% of the official death count. And they compare that to the average annual vehicle accident count and claim it's half, so who cares. These are now ex friends of mine, because as you can probably imagine, they've said other things as well.

EDIT: one of them is an oncologist. What a total shame.

Pretty well accepted: The Eggshell Doctrine- You take your victim as you find him. The fact that he is particularly vulnerable is of no consequence.

 

[Gregadd]

"Ill gotten?"

serious antitrust violations by Microsoft.

 

[carl13]

Interesting story about the vaccine distribution:

Police Say Pharmacist Accused of Sabotaging Vaccine Is Conspiracy Theorist

redstate.com

 

[Al M.]

serious antitrust violations by Microsoft.

Yet at least he puts his wealth to good use now. Commendable. I like him now much, much better than in his younger days. In fact, I have respect and admiration for what he does.

 

[Ron Resnick]

The only people debating the seriousness of the disease are in the United States . . .

Respectfully, a statement this absolute is illogical on its face. Please provide us with evidence that there are no serious people in any other countries debating the seriousness of the virus disease.

From direct, first-hand, personal experience of Tinka or I or both in England and the Netherlands I report with complete certainty and objectivity that serious people in each of these countries are debating the seriousness of the disease. Your statement is demonstrably false.

People in general in the Netherlands and in Sweden and, likely, in numerous other countries in Europe, have taken the virus disease less seriously than people in general have taken it in the United States.

 

[Testy Troll]

And here in Oregon, where you can count on governement f'ing up everything it touches, we rate 3rd from the bottom at vaccine roll-out. (https://oregoncatalyst.com/51030-oregon-nations-3rd-worst-vaccine-rollout.html)

Probably the same knuckleheads in charge who made the Oregon ObamaCare website. ($303 million spent, the damn site never worked.)

I'd feel sorry for you except for the fact I live in CA....

 

[Gregadd]

Wow!
what is the debate?
That it is not an airborne contagion?
That is is not killing people?
I can only pray thar those in the debate will come to the correct conclusion before they die from it.

 

[djsina2]

Number of deaths annually for leading causes of death:​

• Heart disease: 655,381
• Cancer: 599,27

 

[Ron Resnick]

Please stay focused on the virus and the vaccine if you want this thread to stay open.

Thank you.

 

[bonzo75]

I've had the organic version anyways.

Another thread discussing meaning of natural?

 

[the sound of Tao]

Interesting news report here in Australia tonight with a Melbourne immunologist discussing the current understanding on the variable efficacy rates of the three immunisation choices we have gone for here.

Immunisation is still not due to start till March and these are the contenders...

University of Oxford/AstraZeneca
Novavax
Pfizer/BioNTech

The main strategy here is focussed on AstraZeneca but the government hedged their bets with doses also purchased from Pfizer and Novavax.

The comment tonight was that according to current data the AstraZeneca apparently has an efficacy of about 60% whereas the Pfizer and Novavax are up above 90%.

All three should likely protect the person immunised against the worst effects of Covid but if Australia was actually seeking to achieve herd immunity it would require far greater immunisation (closer to 100% of the population) with AstraZeneca whereas it might be possible to achieve herd immunity with far less of the population (2/3rds perhaps) being actually immunised if one of the other two antivirals was used because of their greater overall effectiveness.

The potential to achieve essential herd immunity is a huge factor and projects a return to a more normal life and business far earlier than otherwise and reinforces Howie’s earlier comment on the vital importance of getting as many of the population immunised as soon as possible.

I’m sure there will be further data to be verified as we go.

In the interim I’m going to lock myself into a room and build myself a new pair of horns... it’d be great if you were all immunised by the time I get back out

 

[howiebrou]

Interesting news report here in Australia tonight with a Melbourne immunologist discussing the current understanding on the variable efficacy rates of the three immunisation choices we have gone for here.

Immunisation is still not due to start till March and these are the contenders...

University of Oxford/AstraZeneca
Novavax
Pfizer/BioNTech

The main strategy here is focussed on AstraZeneca but the government hedged their bets with doses also purchased from Pfizer and Novavax.

The comment tonight was that according to current data the AstraZeneca apparently has an efficacy of about 60% whereas the Pfizer and Novavax are up above 90%.

All three should likely protect the person immunised against the worst effects of Covid but if Australia was actually seeking to achieve herd immunity it would require far greater immunisation (closer to 100% of the population) with AstraZeneca whereas it might be possible to achieve herd immunity with far less of the population (2/3rds perhaps) being actually immunised if one of the other two antivirals was used because of their greater overall effectiveness.

The potential to achieve essential herd immunity is a huge factor and projects a return to a more normal life and business far earlier than otherwise and reinforces Howie’s earlier comment on the vital importance of getting as many of the population immunised as soon as possible.

I’m sure there will be further data to be verified as we go.

In the interim I’m going to lock myself into a room and build myself a new pair of horns... it’d be great if you were all immunised by the time I get back out

One issue that seems to be getting little attention is that these vaccines are not, afaik, recommended for children which means no where near 100% of the susceptible population will get vaccinated and whilst children would appear to be less susceptible to clinical disease, they can certainly pass it on to the next adult they meet who is acutely at risk. This seems to be a gaping hole in national strategies.

 

[the sound of Tao]

One issue that seems to be getting little attention is that these vaccines are not, afaik, recommended for children which means no where near 100% of the susceptible population will get vaccinated and whilst children would appear to be less susceptible to clinical disease, they can certainly pass it on to the next adult they meet who is acutely at risk. This seems to be a gaping hole in national strategies.

That makes a huge difference in terms of outcomes. In some ways that probably puts the onus back on the rest us to ensure that we can still get as great a coverage with immunisation as possible.

 

[bonzo75]

My gf, who is a doctor, just got her first dose of the Oxford vaccine

 

[Tango]

My gf, who is a doctor, just got her first dose of the Oxford vaccine

I want to ask you a question but then I second thought and better shut up.

 

[jeff1225]

Respectfully, a statement this absolute is illogical on its face. Please provide us with evidence that there are no serious people in any other countries debating the seriousness of the virus disease.

From direct, first-hand, personal experience of Tinka or I or both in England and the Netherlands I report with complete certainty and objectivity that serious people in each of these countries are debating the seriousness of the disease. Your statement is demonstrably false.

People in general in the Netherlands and in Sweden and, likely, in numerous other countries in Europe, have taken the virus disease less seriously than people in general have taken it in the United States.

Illogical but factual. Anecdotal evidence is, as it always is, irrelevant.

USA: 58% of Americans are willing to take the vaccine

More Americans Now Willing to Get COVID-19 Vaccine

Nearly six in 10 Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine, up from half who said the same in September.

news.gallup.com

Netherlands: 73%, Germany: 70%, UK: 79%

Once we have it, will we use it? A European survey on willingness to be vaccinated against COVID-19 - The European Journal of Health Economics

link.springer.com

 

[Lagonda]

Respectfully, a statement this absolute is illogical on its face. Please provide us with evidence that there are no serious people in any other countries debating the seriousness of the virus disease.

From direct, first-hand, personal experience of Tinka or I or both in England and the Netherlands I report with complete certainty and objectivity that serious people in each of these countries are debating the seriousness of the disease. Your statement is demonstrably false.

People in general in the Netherlands and in Sweden and, likely, in numerous other countries in Europe, have taken the virus disease less seriously than people in general have taken it in the United States.

They have taken it seriously , but with less forced restriction, because most people in Sweden will follow a government recommendation, as they trust their government to do what is best for them

 

[PeterA]

Illogical but factual. Anecdotal evidence is, as it always is, irrelevant.

USA: 58% of Americans are willing to take the vaccine

More Americans Now Willing to Get COVID-19 Vaccine

Nearly six in 10 Americans say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine, up from half who said the same in September.

news.gallup.com

Netherlands: 73%, Germany: 70%, UK: 79%

Once we have it, will we use it? A European survey on willingness to be vaccinated against COVID-19 - The European Journal of Health Economics

link.springer.com

I wonder if those statistics for the United States would be different had some prominent voices in the government and media not expressed concern about the vaccine months ago.

There were some opinions pushed that the vaccine might not be safe and that it was rushed. In my opinion this was not a responsible public message. Those are now eager to take the vaccine. I don’t know if this happened in other countries.

To feel confident about the topic of this thread, one must believe the information that is out there.

it is still not clear to me whether receiving the vaccine will prevent transmission. If the argument is that Everyone should take the vaccine to protect others, that implies to me that we know there will not be transmission from those vaccinated. Is there data on this yet?