Help me choose the better integrated

[flm09]

Hi everyone,

I narrowed down to two choices. Mastersound Dueundici or the Simply Italy. I want a singled ended El34. Any other suggestions welcomed. I need to stay in $3k price range though.

I want the warmer, juicer sounding amp.

Any thoughts from people who has heard both?

Thanks!

 

[Cellcbern]

Hi everyone,

I narrowed down to two choices. Mastersound Dueundici or the Simply Italy. I want a singled ended El34. Any other suggestions welcomed. I need to stay in $3k price range though.

I want the warmer, juicer sounding amp.

Any thoughts from people who has heard both?

Thanks!

I've heard both but in different systems and not head to head. I think both are well made, very musical, and will give you the sonic signature you are looking for. Not sure what there is to choose between them. The thought I had is that if you would benefit from more power and could find a good used example at your price point the 35w/ch Unison S6 would give you more bass "punch" while retaining that single ended, Class A EL34 sound.

 

[daytona600]

Synthesis Soprano LE

 

[flm09]

I've heard both but in different systems and not head to head. I think both are well made, very musical, and will give you the sonic signature you are looking for. Not sure what there is to choose between them. The thought I had is that if you would benefit from more power and could find a good used example at your price point the 35w/ch Unison S6 would give you more bass "punch" while retaining that single ended, Class A EL34 sound.

Thanks! So they are both warm. Leaning towards Simply Italy as also has subwoofer out. And I know more people who owns this amp that day it's warm fun amp. Great bass maybe highs little tipped up.

 

[flm09]

Synthesis Soprano LE
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Yes I heard of this brand. Was thinking of the Roma 96 DC but when I saw their transformer graph having a tilt up after 5khz I decided against it. Is Soprano still in current line up? I will have to go tocl website and check it out again!

 

[DSkip]

I would suggest the Dueventi if you can stretch. This was one of my personal favorites in the line. I was the US distributor for a few years.

 

[DasguteOhr]

sac thailand made great amps minute el 34 amp with seperate power supply. Sounds good super cathode feedback.

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Link amp

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[flm09]

sac thailand made great amps minute el 34 amp with seperate power supply. Sounds good super cathode feedback.

sacthailand.com

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Link amp

sacthailand.com

Thanks I will check out their website!

 

[flm09]

I would suggest the Dueventi if you can stretch. This was one of my personal favorites in the line. I was the US distributor for a few years.

My budget is maxed out for Dueundici or Unison! Can you briefly summarize Dueundici vs Dueventi I'm Triode mode 10 watts. I am looking for a fat airy sound with warmth. Don't want a lean dry sound. Thanks!

 

[flm09]

Hi I have a question for Dskip!

I prefer set or sep El34. Say I only need 11 watts which is the better integrated: Dueundici or Dueventi?
I have read you past post and you always prefer the Dueventi. If you wouldn't mind illustrating why it's your favorite.

Thanks!

 

[jep123]

The Dueundici is a superb amp if your speakers are efficient enough. Super sweet sounding, open and just great. Then a pair of Mullard EL 34 xf and a pair of Mullard CV 4003 and never look back.

The Dueundici is a real single end triode amp, SET. The Dueventi is not.

JP

 

[flm09]

The Dueundici is a superb amp if your speakers are efficient enough. Super sweet sounding, open and just great. Then a pair of Mullard EL 34 xf and a pair of Mullard CV 4003 and never look back.

The Dueundici is a real single end triode amp, SET. The Dueventi is not.

JP

Thanks JP! I have Forte IVs so Dueundici makes sense. Btw have you any experience with my other choices in the running? Unison Simply Italy which is same topology as Dueundici and lastly Synthesis Audio Roma 96 DC.

Thanks!

 

[jep123]

Thanks JP! I have Forte IVs so Dueundici makes sense. Btw have you any experience with my other choices in the running? Unison Simply Italy which is same topology as Dueundici and lastly Synthesis Audio Roma 96 DC.

Thanks!

No sorry, I have only listened to the Dueundici. IMO you cannot go wrong with this amp, and the Mullard tubes. Good luck .

JP

 

[DSkip]

All MastersounD amps are ‘real’ SET. Some are parallel such as the Dueventi. As a whole, I find their PSET amps to have better control of a speaker while not losing the magic of SET. There is also more dynamic headroom which is never a bad thing.

 

[morricab]

Hi everyone,

I narrowed down to two choices. Mastersound Dueundici or the Simply Italy. I want a singled ended El34. Any other suggestions welcomed. I need to stay in $3k price range though.

I want the warmer, juicer sounding amp.

Any thoughts from people who has heard both?

Thanks!

Hi, I had the DueUndici and it is a quite good sounding amp for that money. I replaced this with an Ayon Spark in my main system and it has a better sound and is quieter with my 99db speakers. I haven't heard the simply Italy but I have not been a big fan of the Unison Research amps in general in the past. Another choice is the Audion Sterling, which has a good reputation.

If you are open to something other than an EL34 SET then I would recommend a used Ayon Spark that can be had for well under 3K.

 

[flm09]

All MastersounD amps are ‘real’ SET. Some are parallel such as the Dueventi. As a whole, I find their PSET amps to have better control of a speaker while not losing the magic of SET. There is also more dynamic headroom which is never a bad thing.

Ok thanks Dskip for your thoughts!??

 

[flm09]

No sorry, I have only listened to the Dueundici. IMO you cannot go wrong with this amp, and the Mullard tubes. Good luck .

JP

Thanks JP!??

 

[flm09]

Hi, I had the DueUndici and it is a quite good sounding amp for that money. I replaced this with an Ayon Spark in my main system and it has a better sound and is quieter with my 99db speakers. I haven't heard the simply Italy but I have not been a big fan of the Unison Research amps in general in the past. Another choice is the Audion Sterling, which has a good reputation.

If you are open to something other than an EL34 SET then I would recommend a used Ayon Spark that can be had for well under 3K.

Ok thanks Morricab! I may check out Ayon to see if there is something that suits me. My speaker is 95 db efficient.

 

[mtemur]

IME it’s better to buy a push pull amp if you’re up to el34 or any other pentode tube. they can be very much like SET sounding if the implementation is right. IMHO it’s better to stick with triode output tubes with a SET amp and 10watt or more powerful amp should be considered with a much higher budget. on the other hand 3.5watt sun audio 2a3 is a great SET amp under 3000usd if you have very sensitive speakers.

 

[flm09]

IME it’s better to buy a push pull amp if you’re up to el34 or any other pentode tube. they can be very much like SET sounding if the implementation is right. IMHO it’s better to stick with triode output tubes with a SET amp and 10watt or more powerful amp should be considered with a much higher budget. on the other hand 3.5watt sun audio 2a3 is a great SET amp under 3000usd if you have very sensitive speakers.

Ok I will look into Sun Audio as well. I'm not sure 3.5 watts is enough for my Klipsch Forte IVs.

Btw I checked out the Cayin Spark looks promising due to the use of the 6c33c output tube!