KeithR's "Dream Speaker" Search
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Isn't Keith planning to move? He may not be interested in sorting out his room acoustics at his present location. I think this speaker search is for longer term and with a new and different room. I could be wrong, but I think I read this upthread.
Actually, transparency comes from simple crossovers and simple circuits. Devore orangutans with SETs like NAF 2a3 or airtight 300b as well as various other SETs are way more transparent to recordings than Magico, Wilson, Lansche, which try to have more inert cabinets. Very easy to hear should one try. Maybe that explains why Caelin moved from Sasha to Devore 5 years ago and is happy
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Agree- and I have always been a room treatment fan and use GIK art panels behind my seating area. The current room eats 65-100hz bass, not the opposite. I had a room acoustics guy out to confirm this when I moved in. His solution was my Zu active bass x'd over to 110hz, but I found the disparity of drivers distracting/not-coherent so ultimately settled on 65-70hz after a few hours of play.
Funny enough, my Zu friend preferred a huge hole from 50-100hz vs a higher active crossover point - just goes to show how ears are different
Well Ked, Keith was considering Devore to Rockport. Maybe you have a message for him.
Btw, congrats on picking up why Zu are so special. No crossover to speak of, just a single cap and resistor. Other than total straightwire designs like the Pnoes, it doesn't get simpler than Zu. High efficiency, steady and easy impedance, no energy sapping crossover. Good to know you're a fan LOL.
Btw, congrats on picking up why Zu are so special. No crossover to speak of, just a single cap and resistor. Other than total straightwire designs like the Pnoes, it doesn't get simpler than Zu. High efficiency, steady and easy impedance, no energy sapping crossover. Good to know you're a fan LOL.
Yes, I have tried various phonos, carts, and recordings through many Magico systems. Differences are very small. Think it is the driver, cross over, or a combo of them with the complex circuitry in the path. Same with Wilson and many others. Avalon can be made good in terms of transparency in cones. I am saying in terms of transparency of recordings to Devore orangutans. Other attributes may vary
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Al, Ked will deliberately get to more Magico demos to confirm his declaration. I don't know many who would do that. Indeed anybody.
It's like wanting to leave yourself to medical science...while you're still alive LOL. I mean if you don't rate Wilson and Magico, why go listen to them multiple times? And why would you think any owner of said brands would take well to having them dissed. I'm sure every Magico owner is really chilled to hear a brand they've invested serious money into doesn't compare to Devore.
It's like wanting to leave yourself to medical science...while you're still alive LOL. I mean if you don't rate Wilson and Magico, why go listen to them multiple times? And why would you think any owner of said brands would take well to having them dissed. I'm sure every Magico owner is really chilled to hear a brand they've invested serious money into doesn't compare to Devore.
I don't own Magico speakers nor do I aspire to own them, so I don't have a skin in the game. I'm just reporting what my ears tell me.
Now you are taking it personally. Better to go listen to Devore and confirm, for you? You will hear they are more transparent to recordings than your speaker.
I didn't diss them, I said they weren't transparent to recordings. That's not on the top of most people's list. Of course owners want their stuff to be tops in everything
Ked, why wouldn't you buy Devore? They evidently speak to you, are manageable both domestically and financially. You've been nothing other than complimentary about them. Anyone else would be signing the cheque.
Because I find modded tannoy better - though a bit colored compared to Devore, though still shows differences in recordings. Does other stuff well and goes back to the wall
I'm not taking anything personally, Ked. Marc mentioned that you were planning to confirm something you have already declared. I'm simply wondering why someone or anyone would ever declare something that he hasn't confirmed yet. Of course, people are often wrong, or they can change their minds. That is different. I've been wrong and changed my mind many times. And we all make our choices, which are ours to make. No need for you to agree with them.
Peter, that was a little sarcastic dig in that Ked has already had enough experiences to realise Magico is not for him, but he's happy to demo further and confirm further.
Me? If I heard a component that failed to connect w me a maximum of two times, I'd conclude life was too short to try it a third time.
Me? If I heard a component that failed to connect w me a maximum of two times, I'd conclude life was too short to try it a third time.
Magico and Wilson are the best marketed and most popular speakers. So it is easier to get some experiences across familiar gear with them to understand people's reference points due to their wide availability. While I like horns, they are too bespoke and things not always consistent across different horns. I don't go to these rooms to try the speaker, but other gear.
Anyway, I brought up these to counter Al's points that just because a speaker is inert it can be more transparent. The cabinets of these speakers are way more inert than Devore, am sure. But their crossovers, drivers, and the circuitry in the signal path used with these speakers as opposed to Devores, will be playing an important role in that transparency, or lack thereof
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