New Vertere Table

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katylied

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I can see some Roksan, SME, Basis and VPI on it ....
 

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I can see some Roksan, SME, Basis and VPI on it ....

First thing that came to my mind! I'm sure it sounds great, but it's a bit too industrial-looking for my taste.
 

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What is it with clear acrylic? They don't make black anymore?

IMO that is damm ugly.

Conti does the same thing with his beautiful Basis tables and turns them ugly by using cleat acrylic.
 

Johnny Vinyl

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This OTOH is gorgeous!

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Flat belt
 

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The first record player from Vertere consists of a plinth around which two versions are built, the SG1 or Standard Groove 1 and Reference Groove 1. The difference between the two lies in the key component parts used. There is a Standard bearing and platter or a Reference bearing and platter, ditto power supply. Interestingly the power supply can also be used to upgrade a Roksan Xerxes. There will also be Standard and Reference platforms and covers. Unsurprisingly it has some similarities to the TMS that Touraj designed for Roksan, the three slab plinth being the most obvious, also the platter and arm are on a separate subchassis. But it differs significantly too, for a start it’s made of acrylic and its aluminium platter is bonded to an acrylic top plate (SG1). The SG1 can also be upgraded to RG1 status. Price including the as yet unfinalised Standard arm will be £12,750 with the Reference coming in at around twice this price.

http://www.the-ear.net/news/vertere-sg1-rg1-record-player
 

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Here we go again, designers moving away from their original company and creating a cost no object creation. Just what is it with these stupid prices? I used to own a Xerxes 10 and TMS 3, and can't see anything here that's a major move beyond the nested plinth concept on Touraj's original creations, certainly nothing that would command 3x+ the price.
I agree, this is butt ugly, esp wrt the TMS 3 which was a marvel of aesthetics/industrial design, and IMHO the best tt design of the 80s/90s along with the Oracle.
There better be something really groundbreaking/original, otherwise it's just a punt into high end pricing waters.
 

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That seems quite impressive, though I have no reference about how some other top spindle/bearings perform. There is an SME factory tour video on Youtube which shows an SME platter spinning for a very long time with a simple push.

This video is excellent for getting across his point. He could also show his turntable right on that kitchen table and give the platter a push to see how smooth and long it spins demonstrating the bearing in practice. But the air suction and tolerance demonstration is very cool. Thanks for posting.
 

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That was interesting to watch!
 

spiritofmusic

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Nice tech, but clear acrylic is so last decade. I should know, I gave up my last (acrylic!) tt at turn of this decade.
 

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"The Standard Bearing is probably the best bearing in the world" ...

Really?

Honestly, that bearing demo could be easily duplicated using a variety of other high quality turntable bearings. And unlimited spin is NO indication of how a turntable bearing is going to impact the sound of a turntable. In fact, a certain amount of introduced viscous drag within the bearing has proven very beneficial to one of my 'tables sound quality, despite the fact that I could make it spin by itself for over 5 minutes if required. The implementation of the bearing as part & parcel of the turntable design - is obviously the real key - but that demo did nothing to suggest otherwise.

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I think they were trying to show how close the tolerances are. FWIW, when testing my VPI, I was able to trap an air bubble in the bearing hole of the platter, so that the platter would actually float (and bounce if you were to push it down with your finger); then I started the motor and let it spin for days, and the air bubble never escaped under the platter's pressure. This was just a test because I really want to mechanically ground the platter to the base, so today I have been able to get the platter instead to "float" on a tiny layer of lithium grease above the bearing ball, so that the bearing ball never actually touches the platter - it took a bit of calculation to figure out the amount of grease to apply once I measured the geometry of the bearing, but it wasn't that difficult.
 

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I think they were trying to show how close the tolerances are. FWIW, when testing my VPI, I was able to trap an air bubble in the bearing hole of the platter, so that the platter would actually float (and bounce if you were to push it down with your finger); then I started the motor and let it spin for days, and the air bubble never escaped under the platter's pressure. This was just a test because I really want to mechanically ground the platter to the base, so today I have been able to get the platter instead to "float" on a tiny layer of lithium grease above the bearing ball, so that the bearing ball never actually touches the platter - it took a bit of calculation to figure out the amount of grease to apply once I measured the geometry of the bearing, but it wasn't that difficult.

Probably very much worth the effort tho ...

Did you check noise levels during the process? The reason I ask is based on experience; one can make any really good bearing spin like a top if required, but some (not all) will produce more noise utilized that way. Introduced amounts of viscous drag will help damp and even may eliminate bearing noise, and it can also help alleviate stylus drag issues & stabilize platter rotation. I'm not claiming anything new, many a turntable white paper ...

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I am pretty sure the noise floor is lower than before, but testing for bearing noise is very subjective. Unfortunately, the stethoscope I usually use in all things mechanical cannot be really utilized here...
 

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I am pretty sure the noise floor is lower than before, but testing for bearing noise is very subjective. Unfortunately, the stethoscope I usually use in all things mechanical cannot be really utilized here...

I can clearly hear levels of bearing noise with the many I've tested, and different kinds of noise also - using my particular steth. Lubes even introduce noise, like a continuous hissing sound (for example). Balls/trust pads/sleeves, all can create noise to one degree or another, and any noise at this juncture is direct-coupled to the LP (esp if clamped).

One can test a bearing in several ways, but I think it's important to test under-load, with & without belt, in which levels of motor induced noise (which also change depending on load) are also introduced.
 

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