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Mike Lavigne

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You could only have an estimation, hear how promising it is, and take adive. Anyone buying this tt should have a good Studer in the room too. At this level it should only be compare with tape imo. And you tune it until your choice in listening to Studer or AFzero only is determined by conveniency or available softwares you have.

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having an in-room reference (and a familiar reference room) is always critical in weighing feedback for value. as you mention; i've always had my Studer as a constant reference point for sources. it sets the bar high. as is my vinyl and Studer for the digital. and i compare my new tapes to my vinyl. some very touted expensive tapes yield to my vinyl. truth triumphs. the reality has no place to hide.

in the absence of references we are somewhat flapping in the wind, licking our fingers to see which way it's blowing, flowing along with the vibe of the room and our expectations. like at a show it's a data point. if i go to multiple shows, and hear something multiple times relative to other multiple examples, now we start to build a more valuable reference. but it still falls short of an in-room constant.

top flight turntables all can sound awesome, and elicit strong emotional pulls. a good thing, but should cause us to be cautious. we can observe how subtle the differences Tang hears between his turntables and arms and the time he has to spend getting a handle on those differences. if you were to pull any one single tt out of that room it would likely sound great in a demo room, and depending on the pressing (and even the presenter, and the gravity of the event) would be perceived as wonderful.

i wonder if we will see an AF1P and AF0 in the same demo system?

my guess is when it happens it will be far under the radar.
 
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i wonder if we will see an AF1P and AF0 in the same demo system?

my guess is when it happens it will be far under the radar.

Not sure I agree

The two people I know (one with a firm order and the other a possibility to order) both have AF1’s
 

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well, when we get feedback on the differences then we will have that. none yet.;)

Even then it is from someone who owns both who is therefore highly biased and will doubtless say the AF0 is far superior.
 
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You could only have an estimation, hear how promising it is, and take adive. Anyone buying this tt should have a good Studer in the room too. At this level it should only be compare with tape imo. And you tune it until your choice in listening to Studer or AFzero only is determined by conveniency or available softwares you have.

kind regards,
Tang
...a good Studer is one thing; the new ATAE Model 2, well, that’s a great thing :)

Cheers!
ALF
 

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Even then it is from someone who owns both who is therefore highly biased and will doubtless say the AF0 is far superior.

Of course but don’t you think that someone who owns both could give real impressions. They will come. As far as none.now the AF0 is on a world tour by itself. I’m confident all the comparisons will come even between the AF0 and the AS2000. Be patient Mike and Bill
 

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Of course but don’t you think that someone who owns both could give real impressions. They will come. As far as none.now the AF0 is on a world tour by itself. I’m confident all the comparisons will come even between the AF0 and the AS2000. Be patient Mike and Bill

Yes sure I can imagine folks who own both giving impressions although I personally doubt they won’t be biased towards the more expensive purchase - it is natural and I am sure I would be the same lol. Would be stupid to say otherwise (publicly).

Anyway. Would be good if someone on wbf got one :p!
 

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So Steve
Of course but don’t you think that someone who owns both could give real impressions. They will come. As far as none.now the AF0 is on a world tour by itself. I’m confident all the comparisons will come even between the AF0 and the AS2000. Be patient Mike and Bill
Steve, I'm sure you're forgetting to mention Vyger in this company is a simple oversight by you.
 

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Mike Lavigne

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Of course but don’t you think that someone who owns both could give real impressions. They will come. As far as none.now the AF0 is on a world tour by itself. I’m confident all the comparisons will come even between the AF0 and the AS2000. Be patient Mike and Bill

I think you have this backwards.

We are the ones asking for patience, and not blind acceptance of staged demo feedback.
 
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Even then it is from someone who owns both who is therefore highly biased and will doubtless say the AF0 is far superior.

Sincerely, do you have any doubt that the AF0 is far superior? :oops:
 
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Sincerely, do you have any doubt that the AF0 is far superior? :oops:

i recall visiting ddk with the EMT, AS-1000 and AF1 sitting there all with the same arm (different carts).....into the same phono stage (similar to Tang).

will the AFO be closer to the AS-1000 or the AF1?

we don't yet know.
 
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You must be joking
I had compared in the past AF3 with a turntable of 7,000 euro and the cheaper one was superior
 
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You must be joking
I had compared in the past AF3 with a turntable of 7,000 euro and the cheaper one was superior

I was indeed joking
 

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I was indeed joking

I will be next week in Italy on a business trip and I have arranged to audition the Atlantis with KRIMON I phono
 
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How one can tell without a comparison first?

Credentials coupled with the available information (listening and technical) are enough for me.
 

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