Nutter cops exist in Australia too

[Fiddle Faddle]

Sadly every now and then the World views some video made on a mobile (cell) phone of a US police person behaving badly. This case, however, was reported in Australia today. I think this is the worst I've seen in this country, at least in terms of the way a policeman deals with a member of the community in a "random" encounter.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-...cer-pulls-gun-on-motorist-outback-qld/7482950

He probably would have killed me. No way would I have pulled over for crazy nut case like him!! He didn't even use a siren.

 

[ddk]

Sadly every now and then the World views some video made on a mobile (cell) phone of a US police person behaving badly. This case, however, was reported in Australia today. I think this is the worst I've seen in this country, at least in terms of the way a policeman deals with a member of the community in a "random" encounter.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-...cer-pulls-gun-on-motorist-outback-qld/7482950

He probably would have killed me. No way would I have pulled over for crazy nut case like him!! He didn't even use a siren.

And this is on camera behavior, mind boggles what goes on when there's no video rolling...

david

 

[NorthStar]

That cop he's a real bad dude! He shouldn't be working as a cop, but in hard labor breaking rocks for the railroad tracks.
And what can you do! Nothing, he has the power the authority and if you question him your case just gets worst.
And he's not the only cop abusing his power in a totally disorderly fashion. How do they hire guys like that, what kind of system are they running and who's @ the top! ...Zero tolerance for those two incidents we just witnessed, zero, this cop is a disgrace and should never be a cop anymore for the rest of his life.
His brain is completely/absolutely fried! ...And I bet he hates music too.

 

[fas42]

This is interesting - I don't see this as badly as people in other countries perhaps would; similar behaviour is something I have experienced seeing many times while growing up in the country, though not specifically from police. To my eyes he's in a bad mood for some reason, and he's just taking it out on the other driver.

There's a hardness, a bluntness in our country - we're not gooey about it when we get our backs up about something ... a positive about this is that it makes us the best armed forces people in the world - we get the job done with minimal mucking about ...

 

[NorthStar]

Frank, one day this cop is going to meet his undertaker for real good, and it's only a question of real soon now.
The Australian people don't want losers like this big loser on the loose driving on their highways. He's a menace to the welfare of the Australian society.

Yes, it won't take long now with those released videos till someone spots him and down he goes under with his undertaker.

 

[GaryProtein]

Youtube is replete with hundreds to thousands of videos of this type of dangerous and ir corrupt cops.

 

[NorthStar]

Yes, in America it's normal routine, but this cop is in Australia.
But true he didn't shoot the motorist dead for driving over the speed limit.

I don't travel alone in the US, I'm always travelling with an escort...for safety measure.

 

[fas42]

Following the storyline, if a policeman comes up besides in a obvious police vehicle, honks ferociously, and gestures to pull over, I think I would get the message that he wanted me to stop, siren or not. And would do so. The fact that the driver kept on going immediately made the cop suspicious that he was trying to hide something, perhaps he had criminal intent - hence the drawn pistol, just to make sure the driver didn't try something.

I get why the cop reacted the way he did, the fact that language was used is just an aspect of him not being in a brilliant mood at the time, for whatever reason. There are lot of totally jerk off drivers out there, and I wouldn't like to be the cop who has to make a snap decision about whether who he is dealing with is rational or not ...

 

[NorthStar]

Yes, but there are cop killers too...and it's best to not stop for them. :b

Anyway, that cop forgot to put his lights and siren on; so the other driver assumed that he was just a criminal who stole a cop car. I wouldn't stop either, I don't want to get robbed and killed by the side of the road by a thief who just stole a cop car. Not you?

 

[Rodney Gold]

In south africa , one does NOT stop for any unmarked car with blue lights and even with a marked police car with lights and sirens , one drives to the nearest police station rather than stop..many criminals here impersonate the police .. and the police themselves are not at all considered trustworthy... if they stop you , its mostly a demand for "cooldrink" money on some trumped up traffic infraction.
I have front and rear dashcams in my car.. to record any incidents..just in case!!

 

[Fiddle Faddle]

Following the storyline, if a policeman comes up besides in a obvious police vehicle, honks ferociously, and gestures to pull over, I think I would get the message that he wanted me to stop, siren or not. And would do so. The fact that the driver kept on going immediately made the cop suspicious that he was trying to hide something, perhaps he had criminal intent - hence the drawn pistol, just to make sure the driver didn't try something.

I get why the cop reacted the way he did, the fact that language was used is just an aspect of him not being in a brilliant mood at the time, for whatever reason.

Frank, your viewpoints make my mind boggle!! I'm not really sure what to say in response to what you have written above, other than to say that every single dealing I have ever had with Australian Police has been one where they have shown the utmost respect to me and have demonstrated exemplary behaviour. They may not be the best and brightest sparks on the block at times but I really do have to say that their actual behaviour towards both myself and anyone I have known has always been beyond any reasonable criticism. And where I live, interaction is common. Just this year I've been random breath tested 5 times, drug tested twice (random roadside and random railway station police drug dog), had them inspect my Opal pass twice and had a senior Sergeant come to my house and sit down at the dinner table for a good hour to interview me and listen to my complaint about crazy illegal unregistered trail bikes being ridden on public roads within the suburb. On each and every occasion they have been a model of how a human should interact with another human.

As for protocol, my understanding is that Australian Police are subject to the same laws as the rest of us which amongst other things precludes the use of profanity in public. I can get arrested for that so it is completely unacceptable, especially in the circumstances depicted in the videos.

Regarding firearms, my understanding is that police are only allowed to draw them if they believe there is an imminent threat to their lives or the lives of the general public (obviously a "planned" arrest of a dangerous or potentially dangerous criminal is a different story). It is almost impossible for me to see how any of that could apply in these two cases.

As for the way he pulls someone over, with all the nutcases going around these days pretending they are police officers and who then end up raping and killing people, then no way would I stop for him - at least in the first video. I'd just keep driving to the nearest police station instead. These days I won't even stop for a blue flashing light in the dead of night or in a remote location unless the car is clearly identifiable as a police car. I'd rather fight it out later in court if it were a real policeman, as I have seen too many tragic things happen when people are pulled over by police impersonators. In the second video he looks like he is on a marked bike so that is fine but in the first video he could have been the local hillbilly for all I know. Pulling someone over just blasting a horn is arguably illegal (horn can only be used as a warning of imminent danger or imminent collision) and it is completely baffling since any police vehicle where the duties include road patrol are certainly fitted with sirens. It is required by law.

So no, sorry but I have to profoundly disagree. This guy is a complete nutjob and how the heck he ever got into the force to begin with in my view requires a diligent investigation in it's own right. He obviously has some serious mental issues in the type of job where mental stability has to sit right up there at the top of the list required attributes along with physical fitness. The fact that he is fighting for his pay spells out to me even more clearly that he is detached from reality here. Good on senior police for sticking to their guns (pun not intended).

 

[Fiddle Faddle]

Following the storyline, if a policeman comes up besides in a obvious police vehicle, honks ferociously, and gestures to pull over, I think I would get the message that he wanted me to stop, siren or not. ...

Section 10.4.3 of the Queensland Police "Driving of Service Vehicles" policy document has this to say about pursuits:

"Unmarked police vehicles which are not fitted with flashing warning lights and a siren are not to intercept motor vehicles"

and

"position the police vehicle to the rear of, and at a safe distance from, the vehicle to be intercepted. Activate the flashing warning lights fitted to the police vehicle and activate the siren".

 

[fas42]

Frank, your viewpoints make my mind boggle!! I'm not really sure what to say in response to what you have written above, other than to say that every single dealing I have ever had with Australian Police has been one where they have shown the utmost respect to me and have demonstrated exemplary behaviour. They may not be the best and brightest sparks on the block at times but I really do have to say that their actual behaviour towards both myself and anyone I have known has always been beyond any reasonable criticism.

Well, you've just reminded me of my last interaction with them - driving through the heart of Sydney, down a small street, all of a sudden I had a police car with lights going behind me. They claimed that I had gone over a pedestrian crossing when someone was on it - and I said, what!!?? My wife had been sitting beside me, and neither she nor I could even picture what they were talking about, we were totally baffled - afterwards, we drove back to the supposed spot, trying to work out what they were talking about - and were still confused as to the place where it supposedly happened; even used Google earth to try to understand it.

But the real problem was the attitude of the cops when confronting us - there was a strong sense of aggressive unpleasantness about the pair of them, they were taking no prisoners was the body language on show, I felt like I had committed a major crime. We were right at the point of meeting our son for a lunchtime meal - and the bad vibes sent out by that pair pretty well ruined the rest of the day, for us.

So there you have it, I just see the cop in that video revved up a few more notches than what I encountered ...

 

[Rodney Gold]

FF Wow - 9 unsolicited interactions in the past year....
My nephew in Melb is an IT guru , earning huge money.. he bought one of those fancy Mitsubishi or Nissan road warriors..eventually sold it due to his being pulled over on an almost daily basis.. he isnt a hoon .. just a young guy in a fancy car.
My impression of Aussie , having been there multiple times (I have a sister in Melb) is somewhat of a nanny state..however I would far rather live there , granny /nanny state and all ,than here.. its the wild wild west here...
Just as an aside ,The holden ute was sold here as a Chevrolet El camino..I have owned about 8 in my lifetime .. from the 308 v8 to a full on blown and injected 454 version..

 

[Fiddle Faddle]

FF Wow - 9 unsolicited interactions in the past year...

Yeh, I don't get it. I seem to be a police magnet. Over my lifetime (turning 50 next month) I've probably had far more interactions than a whole family would have in their entire lifetime! About 8 years ago I had a prolonged interaction with them. A company I had bought my lounge suite from (set of 4 recliners) had an employee who rather than bank the money I paid him, decided to pocket it...along with payments made by every second customer who came in that month to buy recliners from him. He pocketed something like 25 grand (nice of him to keep some for the company).

First I hear about it is a female detective 8 months later who rings me and wants me to come in and make a statement. And I am saying well, what I can I say, I know nothing (not the Sergeant Shultz style either - I really honestly couldn't even remember the guy, let alone what he looked like!). Anyway she has me collate all my receipts, take them to a police station 40 kms away from home, they get stamped (on a Sunday morning), I get copies back (for warranty) then I have to come and give another interview at another date at my local station, then I'm subpoenaed to court a month later. I go to court and literally sit there for 6 hours waiting to be called and the guy ends up pleading guilty anyway!

Then about 7 years ago I have dispute with a neighbour. I work from home and they buy this dog, leave it alone all day and it constantly barks from 9.10 am to 4.40 PM in the afternoon, day after day, non-stop. I'm not kidding. Non-stop. I'm going nuts, so I end up buying one of those ultrasonic dog repellent thingies that put out roughly a 17 - 19 kHz kHz tone aimed right at the dog when it barks. It worked believe it or not (I could only hear it if I was within a few feet of it but since we know how directional those frequencies are, you aim and shoot like a rifle and it only "gets" the dog on the balcony and does not annoy anything else). It did not work perfectly, but it toned the dog down about 60%. The neighbours then ring the police a week later claiming I am a pervert who is video taping them! (the repellent looked like a large dash cam).

First I hear about it is a knock on the front door from a young constable who asks me to ring the senior sergeant at the local police station about a "camera issue". I'm thinking to myself, hang on, I don't run red lights or speed, then I find out I am accused of the "filming"! I tell her on the phone in the very same instant that she should come right around to my house immediately and she can see that this "camera" is a flipping dog repellent! She immediately back-tracks, says she would not disturb me and would come again another day. She never did come again but I take that as an example that police here are really wary about harassing innocent people. They really are. They go out of their way to not harass the innocent and even treat the guilty with a reasonable amount of due respect.

Even coming home on the train today I was so engrossed working on my mobile (cell) phone putting in a whole heap of appointments into the calendar between now and early August. The policeman comes down the aisle wanting to scan everyone's Opal card (our electronic travel authority system). I'm so head-down in my work I did not even notice him. I get a very polite "excuse me sir, may I please check your Opal card?". I mean seriously, they act like they are bell-boys at 5-star hotels!!

 

[NorthStar]

In south africa , one does NOT stop for any unmarked car with blue lights and even with a marked police car with lights and sirens , one drives to the nearest police station rather than stop..many criminals here impersonate the police .. and the police themselves are not at all considered trustworthy... if they stop you , its mostly a demand for "cooldrink" money on some trumped up traffic infraction.
I have front and rear dashcams in my car.. to record any incidents..just in case!!

Wow, like in Mexico.

 

[es347]

Yes, in America it's normal routine, but this cop is in Australia.
But true he didn't shoot the motorist dead for driving over the speed limit.

I don't travel alone in the US, I'm always travelling with an escort...for safety measure.

..oh please

 

[NorthStar]

I wasn't serious, I over exaggerated to emphasize the craziness we sometimes see from those cams. I was thinking @ that cop from the original video, viewed from his car, then his bike. And also the words he was saying to the motorists, in addition to pulling his gun in the first part.
This cop is truly sick...no doubt about it...not one once of respect...a total coucou.

So when I see a video like that, I cannot stop being me, and it's the way it comes up. It's a type of humor with some serious in it, to express the dark side of that cop that I saw on that video. If I was @ the place of these two motorists I too would feel totally helpless. I call this mental harassment, insulting and disrespectful (and even more so because it's a cop), and it's no good with our children and it's no good with our adults. It is simply not acceptable in a civilized society. They suspended his pay, good, and they should have fired him forever, and never to join the police force, forever. Furthermore, he should have been charged with misconduct, and mental assault. Then go to jail for a minimum of one year, then three years of community service. And again, never join the police, ever! Plus, he should be referred to a top psychiatrist for full evaluation and most likely hospitalized for no less than five years, and on extensive medication.

Enough is enough, this was clear like water crystal clear. We don't need a degree in laws and in scientific psychology to see that the guy is a total coucou, and our society needs protection against this type of psychopath.

Yes please no please.

 

[Fiddle Faddle]

I call this mental harassment, insulting and disrespectful (and even more so because it's a cop)

Not to mention being treated like a dog. "Here, go fetch the keys!!!". Just throwing his keys down broke a law or two.