A 45 RPM groove is longer. It holds more information. I have some 45 RPM reissues that sound pretty good and seem to have greater resolution, but they have the dreaded thicker new formulation vinyl so there are trade-offs. Others who know more about it may be able to explain more about why they sound different. They do not always sound better in my experience.
I'm not sure what you mean by dreaded new formulation.
With Mofi they have the UltraDisc One Step where they remove 2 steps in the plating process (from 5 to 3) avoiding 2 processes of generation loss yielding higher resolution. Then as stated, 45RPM = more data per unit of measure. Then a much more meticulous than factory processed records of the now and past is employed (see https://mofi.com/pages/technologies#one-step ). All is done using a new proprietary compound vinyl.
Analogue Productions UHQR - "Each UHQR is pressed, using hand-selected vinyl, with attention paid to every single detail of every single record. All of the innovations introduced by QRP that have been generating such incredible critical acclaim are applied to each UHQR. The 200-gram records feature the same flat profile that helped to make the original UHQR so desirable."
I'm trying to understand, if above is the dreaded new formulation, what the downside is because if these 2 examples are it, I and thousands others don't hear it. Can you please give examples?
A while back at a show I think it was the owner of sound smith , did a vinyl playback presentation. he has some great ideas but I’m not so sure they all add up to me.
one thing he brought up was groove size and do we really get all the information layed in the grooves.
of course in part it was his sales pitch of cactus needles on a cart but !!
there is a lot going on dragging a needle on vinyl.
a 45 spaces are wider if they want them to be
meaning more dynamics and info
but this still isn’t all
it may allow for less compression if they want it.
I own one album in 3 analog formats all from analog productions
33 /45 and tape.
the hope album.
in just comparing vinyl they do sound very different to me.
it facilitates to me what one is correct to the master tape sound.
Oddly the 33 I like more seems more high frequency clarity.
FYR - There are multiple 45RPM versions so unless you have the one that's the same master as the 33, you really can't compare. Then there's stylus shape, VTA, SRA, etc. Many variables.
I’ve listened to a range of Diana Krall albums this afternoon.
The voice, however limited, is very easy on the ears AND in nearly every track, she is with me in the room. I’d rather have her here than, say, Patricia Barber.
Melody Gardot is, in my opinion, the best of the lot. Most of her recordings are songs she’s written (as opposed to standards).
Diana Krall is generally quite smooth. Patricia Barber is often very edgy. Melody Gardot is smooth with an edge.
I am impressed by DK and PB because I know how hard it is to sing and play at the same time.
Of these three, DK has the most traditional story, including her long term relationship with Declan McClaghnahan (sp?) and their family.
I like the 58 year old DK singing better than the 28 year old DK singing. She probably does too.
I was first introduced to DK via a friend’s sharing of an early video. I did not like it. I told him she was phoning it in. I think I was wrong. She hasn’t sold 15,000,000 albums by phoning it in.
Thats way too much Pipe and slippers with cheese music for me, good for a one or 2 soft melodies. PB music jumps , lots of flare and very rhythmic , DK can be like that too while being good on the melodies..!
The drum strikes on PB recordings are fantastic same for DK with piano strikes ..
Thats way too much Pipe and slippers with cheese music for me, good for a one or 2 soft melodies. PB music jumps , lots of flare and very rhythmic , DK can be like that too while being good on the melodies..!
The drum strikes on PB recordings are fantastic same for DK with piano strikes ..
They all offer cuts that can support pipe, slippers & etc (cheese? Really?).
Listen to March for Mingus on the European tour multi disk album. Then think about the saxophonist who is actually blowing two saxophones at once.
Many, if not most, of the recordings from these three artists put them right in my room. They’re all very well recorded.
Melody Gardot is, in my opinion, the best of the lot. Most of her recordings are songs she’s written (as opposed to standards).
Diana Krall is generally quite smooth. Patricia Barber is often very edgy. Melody Gardot is smooth with an edge.
I am impressed by DK and PB because I know how hard it is to sing and play at the same time.
Of these three, DK has the most traditional story, including her long term relationship with Declan McClaghnahan (sp?) and their family.
I like the 58 year old DK singing better than the 28 year old DK singing. She probably does too.
I was first introduced to DK via a friend’s sharing of an early video. I did not like it. I told him she was phoning it in. I think I was wrong. She hasn’t sold 15,000,000 albums by phoning it in.
I prefer Melody Gardot's early albums because, like other singers I like, the early stuff seems the most authentic to who they are. It is a tough business and everyone must consider marketing angles and what sells to a large audience. To see the marketing pressure in action, look at the progression of the album covers. DK ends up in lingerie (not complaining and that might be good for a few million records) and MG ends up nude. My wife came by as I was considering MG's nude cover (busted). She asked if MG was wearing any clothes. I responded that she was wearing a guitar (there is a guitar in the picture). She gave me that knowing look. My wife does enjoy MG's albums as much as I do (the singing, not the necessarily the cover art).
A personal favorite is Lizz Wright. We have seen her in a live performance and have listened to all her albums. After a few years, her albums didn't excite me as much, but she has matured and re-captured her old magic as well as growing into new directions. There is a spiritual aspect to most of her music that elevates it (for me).
Sorry, Ron, this is far from the topic. Just enjoy sharing favorites.
I prefer Melody Gardot's early albums because, like other singers I like, the early stuff seems the most authentic to who they are. It is a tough business and everyone must consider marketing angles and what sells to a large audience. To see the marketing pressure in action, look at the progression of the album covers. DK ends up in lingerie (not complaining and that might be good for a few million records) and MG ends up nude. My wife came by as I was considering MG's nude cover (busted). She asked if MG was wearing any clothes. I responded that she was wearing a guitar (there is a guitar in the picture). She gave me that knowing look. My wife does enjoy MG's albums as much as I do (the singing, not the necessarily the cover art).
A personal favorite is Lizz Wright. We have seen her in a live performance and have listened to all her albums. After a few years, her albums didn't excite me as much, but she has matured and re-captured her old magic as well as growing into new directions. There is a spiritual aspect to most of her music that elevates it (for me).
Sorry, Ron, this is far from the topic. Just enjoy sharing favorites.
Melody Gardot is, in my opinion, the best of the lot. Most of her recordings are songs she’s written (as opposed to standards).
Diana Krall is generally quite smooth. Patricia Barber is often very edgy. Melody Gardot is smooth with an edge.
I am impressed by DK and PB because I know how hard it is to sing and play at the same time.
Of these three, DK has the most traditional story, including her long term relationship with Declan McClaghnahan (sp?) and their family.
I like the 58 year old DK singing better than the 28 year old DK singing. She probably does too.
I was first introduced to DK via a friend’s sharing of an early video. I did not like it. I told him she was phoning it in. I think I was wrong. She hasn’t sold 15,000,000 albums by phoning it in.
Glad I mentioned her! Obviously others are fans of Melody Gardot too.
If one is a fan of female vocalists and you haven't heard her you should. You can make your own mind up but have a listen. All of her albums are worth listening to. " Live in Europe" has a cross section of her material and is well recorded and sounds good so it would be a good place to start.
Apologies to Ron if this is not a direction he wanted this thread to go in.
Thats way too much Pipe and slippers with cheese music for me, good for a one or 2 soft melodies. PB music jumps , lots of flare and very rhythmic , DK can be like that too while being good on the melodies..!
The drum strikes on PB recordings are fantastic same for DK with piano strikes ..
That's not going to generate more appreciation for DK...
The one thing we can appreciate about her recordings is the intimacy of her voice (she always sound like she's whispering), which is completely lost in this video.
Is this "natural sound"?
i would not dare post the "official video" for comparison
Melody Gardot is, in my opinion, the best of the lot. Most of her recordings are songs she’s written (as opposed to standards).
Diana Krall is generally quite smooth. Patricia Barber is often very edgy. Melody Gardot is smooth with an edge.
I am impressed by DK and PB because I know how hard it is to sing and play at the same time.
Of these three, DK has the most traditional story, including her long term relationship with Declan McClaghnahan (sp?) and their family.
I like the 58 year old DK singing better than the 28 year old DK singing. She probably does too.
I was first introduced to DK via a friend’s sharing of an early video. I did not like it. I told him she was phoning it in. I think I was wrong. She hasn’t sold 15,000,000 albums by phoning it in.
I used to be a big PB fan and saw her live in Zurich many years ago (great concert but she has weird on stage behaviors). Now, I rarely listen to her music at all.
Used to not like Melody Gardot so much, found her music too sleepy but I saw her in concert at the KKL in Luzern and was also not impressed. However, slowly, slowly, I have found her music to be very engaging; lovely voice, nice musical arrangements and while still syrupy I find it very pleasing to listen to...recording quality is also very good.
DK, I just find her faux jazz style annoying and her voice not that great...I never listen to her.
Holly Cole, great recordings (especially "Don't smoke in bed") nice vocal styling but I really only like the one album from her and this one song about the Cubans hitting the dance floor and tango til their sore.
PB walked offstage after 2 songs at the Jazz Cafe until the audience STFU.
I was standing front row between her and the bass. Shook her hand afterwards to thank her.
Btw, Verse is my favourite album, Eat my words and Fire my two fave tracks from her.
A 45 RPM groove is longer. It holds more information. I have some 45 RPM reissues that sound pretty good and seem to have greater resolution, but they have the dreaded thicker new formulation vinyl so there are trade-offs. Others who know more about it may be able to explain more about why they sound different. They do not always sound better in my experience.
As a guy who used to set VTA for each record, don't you think that part of the sound is simply because of the thicker record. You have probably set your cartridges for thin records, thicker ones sound a little dull, i hear the same in my setup.
I agree some say digital is too complex
but to me analog is more complex but even if you just get close enough the pay off is great.
The vinyl we’re all supposed to be the same master all Chad.
The playback was same tt arm and cart
But as you say if the grooves vary now the Styles is effected
As a guy who used to set VTA for each record, don't you think that part of the sound is simply because of the thicker record. You have probably set your cartridges for thin records, thicker ones sound a little dull, i hear the same in my setup.
ive night into this but the math doesn’t work out
it’s a fraction a tiny one too. do you hear anything to do this ? Curious not being rude
bra to me matters but vtf seems to have a greater impact
And it effects vta so a conundrum for me
FYR - There are multiple 45RPM versions so unless you have the one that's the same master as the 33, you really can't compare. Then there's stylus shape, VTA, SRA, etc. Many variables.
I bought around 15 MoFi and Analog Production 45's , none have really impressed me, i am using original first issue 33's instead, they sound better to my ears. Especially Bob Dylan and Billy Joels catalogue have been a huge disappointment MoFi versions are just devoid of life. I have not tried the one step version, i have no more faith in these remasters, i have learned my lesson.
