Sutherland Phono Stages
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I'm using the new Sutherland TZDirect
Technics SL1200G , Jelco 850S , Hyabusa Cart
Sutherland TZ Direct Phono Preamp
Technics SL1200G , Jelco 850S , Hyabusa Cart
Sutherland TZ Direct Phono Preamp
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I was leaning heavily towards one.
In general one would choose a cart with a low impedance for a trans-impedance phono amp…
So if you have a higher output impedance it may or may not be well suited. (From what I can gather.)
In general one would choose a cart with a low impedance for a trans-impedance phono amp…
So if you have a higher output impedance it may or may not be well suited. (From what I can gather.)
I was fortunate to purchase the first TX Direct Transimpedance phono stage available. I am exceedingly happy with it, coming from a Manley Steelhead. I’m using it with a 350 ?V output cartridge while using the middle gain setting ( though gain is not in the traditional sense). Very neutral to my ears, with great extension on both ends. Really let’s me tailor the tubes in my preamp and amps.
No it don't matter , it seems like you got prototype and I got 1st production . So you are correct my bad
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Just redesigned my office rig and looking into Sutherland transimpedance for the Apheta 3. However, I think I might need a phonostage with an output Vrms that's high enough to provide adequate headroom and volume going downstream (feeding a Lampizator DAC w/ analog input as a source selector); my current phono pre has an output of 2Vrms and it wasn't enough.
Any ideas what the Vrms of the little loco, TZ vibe or TZ direct would be?
Any ideas what the Vrms of the little loco, TZ vibe or TZ direct would be?
The Rega Apheta 3 has an input load impedance of 100 Ohms and an output impedance of 10 Ohms which isn't the most ideal cartridge for a trans-impedance / current input phono stage which is for cartridges for very low impedances.
The Rega Aura phono stage is the perfect match for the Rega cartridges in particular the Apehta and Aphelion cartridges.
I had the Rega P10 with Apheta 3 and Rega Aura so have first hand experience of this.
I totally disagree. I had the Apheta 3 with the Sutherland TZ Direct and it worked perfectly. Initially I auditioned it with the Little Loco. I now use the Aphelion 2, which has practically the same specs as the Apheta.
Much appreciate your thoughts; I saw your other post going from Aura to P1. Did you try the Sutherlands as part of that move?
Since I'm not using a real preamplifier I care more about a phono stage with adequate oomph coming out, and am looking at Allnic, Sutherland, Manley, etc.
Have you tried the TZ Direct into the TRP's analog input? I'm planning on using my TRP as the source selector, but found that the 2Vrms output of my Vinnie Rossi phono was woefully inadequate. The TRP in DAC mode, would result in a volume of 10 o'clock position, but with analog in I had to crank the volume up to 3 o'clock for a similar volume... waiting to hear back from Lampi Poland and Ron Sutherland to see if this configuration was geared towards a specific input voltage...
Sorry, I haven’t tried the TRP’s analog input because my digital stack is opposite my analog stack on a fireplace wall. Have a chase running between the two.
I have friends that have the 20/20 and they are very happy with it also.
Personally, I think I would have to spend a lot more to get more performance. I am looking to get a better cartridge this year.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply 'keithc'. Much appreciated.
No I have never tried the Sutherland products, although looked at their trans-impedance phonostages.
I was considering (all on the 2nd hand market) the Van Den Hul The Grail, Channel D Seta and Lino C3.3 over a 3 month period whilst I was listening to vinyl with my Kuzma XL DC, 4Point 11" and MSL Eminent Ex cartridge linked to my then Rega Aura.
However I really wanted a CH P1 from the beginning but the price was huge for me even on the second hand market !
Then I saw a one owner 2019 build CH P1 (also for sale with a CH X1) in Audiogon and went for it as it was such a great price.
I couldn't afford the X1 as well as the P1 at the same time. However I am planning this year ASAP to acquire a used X1 to go with my P1 once funds allow me to do so.
The CH P1 is just phenomenal with the MSL Eminent Ex through my headphone system. Can't imagine how my system will sound with the P1 and the MSL Platinum Sig ! And most CH Precision products are also fully upgradable so pretty much future proof too as well as adding another P1 and X1 for true mono set-up (gulp) !
If you ever get the chance to hear a CH P1 with it's current input mode and using a low impedance good to high quality cartridge should do so. The sound is truly amazing !
In a new chapter in my life, I have left Rega products way behind me now into the long distance now I have my Kuzma XL DC, 4Point 11", MSL Eminent Ex and CH P1. It's a whole new ball game in terms of sound quality, musicality etc.
I can't stop playing my vinyl now and hardly touch my digital source (Chord Blu upgraded with inbuilt M Scaler & Chord DAVE connected together with High Fidelity STORM BNC digital cables).
When I had the Rega P10 with Apheta 3 and Rega Aura PS, I would listen to approx. 25% vinyl, 70% CDs & remaining 5% listening to ripped files off my Macbook to my DAVE. Now, I listen to 85% vinyl, 10% CDs and 5% ripped PC files, the sound is that good / amazing !
Error for 'Can't imagine how my system will sound with the P1'.....it should have said X1 not P1 !
Also forgot to mention (in answer to your reply 'keithc') that even without the additional dedicated X1 Power Supply, the P1 has more than enough power output to match the power output from my Chord DAVE (RCA single ended & XLR balanced) when using the MSL Em Ex through my Hifiman EF1000 Amp & Susvara headphones.
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