VTL ph 6.5

rknebel

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Has anyone heard or know anything about the VTL phono preamp the tp6.5. I have a audio research ph7 and was looking into getting a new preamp. i have not been able to find any reviews on the tp 6.5. Has anyone heard it or know how it compares to audio research phono preamps ? Just seems suspicious that nobody has reviewed it.

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Rick
 

AMP

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I've had one for about a year now and it's a phenomenal piece. My unit has the step-up transformer on the MM input and in comparing that to the regular MC gain stage the transformer makes for an audible improvement in sound. For the most part it has just about every configuration option needed for a modern setup.

Overall it's very quiet and very detailed, but doesn't suck the life out of the music like so many items in the high end today.

The rest of the analog side is a basis 2800 (vacuum), Vector 4, and an Air Tight PC-1 Supreme. I've had a number of different analog setups in my system over the years, but this is the first set of components that has such a high degree of synergy that I have no interest in looking elsewhere (which is a first for me).

I don't have any first-hand experience with the ARC phono stages so I can't help you with a direct comparison there, but I'm happy to answer any specific questions that you may have.

Also, I wouldn't be too worried about a lack of reviews on this one. VTL never seemed to be one of the must-review products out there.
 

rknebel

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I've had one for about a year now and it's a phenomenal piece. My unit has the step-up transformer on the MM input and in comparing that to the regular MC gain stage the transformer makes for an audible improvement in sound. For the most part it has just about every configuration option needed for a modern setup.

Overall it's very quiet and very detailed, but doesn't suck the life out of the music like so many items in the high end today.

The rest of the analog side is a basis 2800 (vacuum), Vector 4, and an Air Tight PC-1 Supreme. I've had a number of different analog setups in my system over the years, but this is the first set of components that has such a high degree of synergy that I have no interest in looking elsewhere (which is a first for me).

I don't have any first-hand experience with the ARC phono stages so I can't help you with a direct comparison there, but I'm happy to answer any specific questions that you may have.

Also, I wouldn't be too worried about a lack of reviews on this one. VTL never seemed to be one of the must-review products out there.
Thanks that helps. Could you tell me what the rest of your system is
 

rknebel

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Interesting. I was thinking about getting the 6.5 phono stage and 7.5 line stage eventually. my amp is the VTL S-400. I thought I saw in a previous post you used to have Vandersteen 5a's. that is what I have now. I have been toying with the idea of getting Some brand of Wilson's. What made you switch from the Vandersteen's ?
 

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Interesting. I was thinking about getting the 6.5 phono stage and 7.5 line stage eventually. my amp is the VTL S-400. I thought I saw in a previous post you used to have Vandersteen 5a's. that is what I have now. I have been toying with the idea of getting Some brand of Wilson's. What made you switch from the Vandersteen's ?
I got a bit bored with the 5As and often found them lacking in dynamics. I was considering the 7s and at about the same time my dealer picked up the Rockport line. After a couple of hours with his demo Aquilas I was sold and ordered a pair for myself.

Rockport is in the process of releasing the Avior, which is at a similar price point to the Wilson Sasha. Should be some very stiff competition.
 

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i have owned the tp6.5 for almost 2 years now. mine also has a transformer on the mm side. its musical and dynamic. for the price, i think it will be a value for your money. you can even ask your dealer if he can give you or provide you with a nos tubes for the input tested by ms bea. its a perfect match.
 

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Interesting that the SUT option sounds better than the Active jfet. Sounds like VTL needs to go back to the drawing board and design a new active j-fet amplification step.

In using the SUT, do the mc loading values change?
 

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VTL TL-7.5 Series III
VTL MB-450 Series III
Wadia S7i
Cullen-modified Sonos ZP-90
Rockport Aquila speakers
Transparent Reference and Reference XL (mm2) throughout.
Nice system!!! i may pm you to get your advice about a few things...hope that's alright.
 

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I got a bit bored with the 5As and often found them lacking in dynamics. I was considering the 7s and at about the same time my dealer picked up the Rockport line. After a couple of hours with his demo Aquilas I was sold and ordered a pair for myself.

Rockport is in the process of releasing the Avior, which is at a similar price point to the Wilson Sasha. Should be some very stiff competition.
Not heard these particular ones, but i do remember spending several hours with YG Acoustics Anat Prof and the much older Rockport Merak Sheritans and the Hansen Princes. I really found the Merak's my favorite. I acknowledged all the wonderful things the YG did better than the Meraks (given the significant age and technology and cost that separated the two)...i appreciated but did not love the Hansen Prince. But i found the Meraks incredibly technically strong, voiced very naturally...and for the money extremely well built...those were still being made wit the same materials as the Hyperion and now Arrakkis.

So i can only imagine what the latest generation Rockports must really sound like...enjoy! Other than the Alexandrias, the Big Rockports are the only speakers that i would be seriously tempted to audition to top my Wilson X1/Grand Slamms.
 
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slp

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Interesting that the SUT option sounds better than the Active jfet. Sounds like VTL needs to go back to the drawing board and design a new active j-fet amplification step.

In using the SUT, do the mc loading values change?
yes, you can change the loading in using the SUT. only the output level cannot be changed.
regarding the active mc, depending on the cartridge it is also good. for the active mc i am using my sonic lab ultra eminent and for the SUT i am using zyx airy 3 gold.
 
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So, this phono preamplifier can't accept two MC ?
 

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Yes it can. One fet mc stage and one sut mc stage.
If it is a SUT, I can not connected the two Audio-Technica ART-9 with...
I'm thinking I will buy Zanden 120 or Accuphase C47 or Accuphase C37...or Vitus RP-102...

Thanks for the explication.
I have just seen that on the website
https://www.vtl.com/products/phono-preamplifiers/tp6-5-signature-phono-preamplifier/

The TP6.5 also offers a high quality transformer Moving Coil step up option, both to offer a low-noise MC step up, and a second MC stage. This second MC input replaces the original MM input that is normally standard in the TP6.5 Phono Stage, and uses the existing MM input to provide access to the transformer MC step up.
 
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Someone has the VTL 6.5 Phono, please ?
I appreciate to have some informations about the sound and the reliability of this product. Thank
 
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I have the VTL 6.5 and really like it a lot. Very detailed, Great Clarity and imaging, good sound staging and an epic bottom end. Feeding it is a VPI Avenger with Reference Arm and the Transfiguration Proteus Cartridge. I no longer feel any need to upgrade further. Mine has the SUT and I prefer that with the Proteus cartridge. Very reliable!

George
 

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Hi, when I visited Audiosilente, who is well known for his vintage TD 124 mods, and also makes the Blackstone idler, we compared the VTL 6.5 to an Italian phono from Audio Analog. It is a small Italian company. The pre and power were also AA, going into the smaller Infinity speakers. Audio Analog is all solid state. We compared the two phonos with Zyx Airy, and the AA was quite better. The VTL had a very high noise floor and muddier as compared to AA which was low noise, clean, and let the LP information flow through. It is not that AA rated high in Italy, but it was a better phono nevertheless
 
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Thanks.
Now, my choice is Zanden 120 or Accuphase C47.
 
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And I add Moodwright PH 150...
 

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