Ps " In general" a system with large bassdrivers and multiple mids can end up having high eff and be easy to drive , the hardest to get proper spl s out of in comparison are low eff 2 way systems , using more drivers one can multiply the eff to a degree , thats the main reason i reckon the Q 7 has high eff.
Here is the berylium dome which i think magico uses in the S series , a bit more break up in the freq extremes starting around 20 kHz but probably inaudible
http://www.scan-speak.dk/datasheet/pdf/d3004-664000.pdf
Because 10 pages about ringing tweeters has run its course!Then perhaps one may claim 100% better articulation, smoother decay with tubes )
Let us go back to topic, Q7 mkii ;-)
Sad, but possibly true, Bud - at least in my current room and your impression is totally understandable (and no offense taken). It's ironic that I struggled with too much bass for years only to be in the opposite situation. The closest I've come to the sound I'm looking for was with S5's, but the M-Pros are so much better that they are worth persevering. As an audiophile I will never be truly satisified, but I think I will be happy when I sort out this bass issue. Right now it's a bit distracting, but I'm still enjoying the M-Pros (even as I write this). My system still gets me out of bed everyday. I think what you're mostly hearing from me is frustration that I haven't gotten these to sing the way that others have.
Interesting. I remember reading one of the members here write he loved the Magico Q7s with Zanden monos.
Interesting. I remember reading one of the members here write he loved the Magico Q7s with Zanden monos...i dont know how difficult it would be to drive the big Ms (perhaps easier than Q7s?)...but i do recall this member saying the sound was sublime, but admittedly the bass had been noticeably tighter with a SS amp.
That was me: a match made in heaven! Heard the Q7s a week later with Pass and they made beautiful music as well...but definitely...lacked "heart". And yes, I am a SS owner (Spectral 360s / 1)...so...strange indeed.
ahhh...thanks for jumping in here. I have always wanted to hear that combo after your thoughts on it. I also remember hearing from someone who had heard the big Zanden monos with the SF Aidas and was also extremely impressed.
It will be interesting to see if the dedicated lines make any difference (from using the extension cords that I'm using now).
And I do suspect that I can do better than the XA160.8's but since that is pretty much Pass' best amp, I would have to look elsewhere. Unfortunately I hear that most of the usual amps mated with Magicos are not very warm sounding, it's not so obvious which way to go. Someone recently suggested Ayre...
Ian,
darTZeel. And live happily ever after
I have the stereo Dartzeel on my Q1 (I bought it from Mike L). Excellent amp, probably the only component I have owned for more than 5 years (with an upgrade in between)... On the big Magicos like Mpro or Q7Mk2, you would really get the benefit of going for the big Dartzeel mono. If money is not a problem, would be top of my list with the latest big soulution (which is much improved vs. previous generation)
On the Ultimate, I unfortunately cannot use Dartzeel, way too noisy for such a high efficiency speaker.
Mike,interesting. I've read that the dart 108's have been used with the Avantgarde Trio's to good effect.....and low noise was one reason that it was chosen. it's 1st watt is pretty good and very low noise. but you would need 3 or 4 108's for the Ultimates...right? 2 stereo amps per side?
have you actually tried the 108's with the Ultimate or measured it in some way that told you they would not work? I'm not saying you are wrong about that but I would not have expected that it would be too noisy. I would have expected it to be wonderful. I recall comparing it directly to my Found Music 2a3 amp and the 45 tube amp and the dart was quieter in that 1st watt. of course, DHT tubes are a bit noisy.
completely agree on the 458's for the big Magico's.
Mike,
The Avantgarde is less than 100 dB, the Ultimate is 115-120dB sensitivity: at this level of efficiency, any noise is unbearable. There is nearly no speaker on the market with such a high sensitivity. I don't want to imply that the Dartzeel is a noisy amp, it is not more noisy than 99% of amps on the market. But at 120dB efficiency, you need very special amps with very low noise (typically with unitary gain), such as some of the First Watt, The Siltech amp. Listen to a Dartzeel or Soulution on a normal speaker like your EA or a Magico, you hear zero noise. Listen to them on Ultimate, the noise is really annoying, in particular if you have a very silent room like mine (21dB ambient noise). I tried....
Are the 458's any cheaper than the Soulution monos?
Are the 458's any cheaper than the Soulution monos?
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