S3 MK3 (2023) Arrived

About four months ago, having fully retired and having much more time to devote to this fascinating hobby and to listen my stereo, I decided to upgrade. At the time I had Magico A3 speakers and ARC electronics. I set out to listen to what was available which I could afford. I was fortunate enough to be able to travel and visited quite a few high end audio shops. Along the way, among others, I listened to Wilson Benesch ACT 3Zero and Resolution 3Zero speakers, to Wilson Sasha V's, Alexia V's and Alex V speakers, to Sonus Faber Amati G5 (which I did not like at all) and Il Cremonese EX3ME speakers, Dynaudio Confidence 50's and 60's, MBL 120 speakers and Magico S3 2023, M2, M3 and M6 speakers. Other than the Amati G5's, all of these speakers sounded at least good or better to much better.

I liked the ACT 3Zero but came away thinking that they were too expensive for what you get, and frankly, too few dealers. The Resolution 3Zero's sounded even better, but were not only too expensive, but too tall and would never be accepted by my wife. The Wilson speakers were nice, but too sugary for my tastes, too forgiving of the material and not detailed enough and I found the bass to be a bit flabby. The Dynaudios were also nice, but did not seem to me to be truly serious speakers. The MBL's were very interesting, but to get them to really sound like they should you have to go to at least the 111 F's or higher and use very expensive MBL electronics. After many hours, which I really enjoyed, I found that I liked the Magico speakers the best as long as you fed them a lot of good clean power with plenty in reserve. In reverse order, the M6's are just too much money for my budget and, in my opinion, need a large dedicated listening room with the highest quality, and therefor also expensive, electronics. The bass on these speakers is simply amazing. With sufficient power and good source material I found that I could even identify the make, and sometimes even the model, of the basses being played in some of the music I listened to. I did find that I agree with some who say that these speakers do show the warts on poorly recorded material. But hell, there is an awful lot of finely recorded material out there. These speakers sounded great from whisper quiet to the concert levels such as those levels which the Who played at back in the 70's. I can only imagine what the new M7's or the M9's sound like. M2's and M3's were tremendous as well, throwing huge, deep three dimensional soundstages. They both connected with me on an emotional basis, perhaps more so than the M6's. Neither was a clinical as the M6's, but there was still fine detail. And despite the smallish bass drivers they both played loud when you wanted them to be loud with plenty of bass. But the S3 2023's were remarkably close in performance to the M2 and M3 speakers, at tens of thousands of dollars less. Compared to what is out there of similar quality, I agree that at $45,500 the S3 2023 is a relative bargain. So in March I ordered a pair of the S3 2023 speakers from the nearest dealer and am now waiting for them to arrive, with an expected ETA of late May or early June barring unforeseen circumstances.

I also quickly realized that I needed to upgrade my amp and pre amp if I was going to get the sound I was looking for out of the Magico speakers. I listened to a number of amp and preamp combinations, including Vinnie Rossi (very nice), large McIntosh amps (mid fi at best), Burmester (very nice also), D'Agostino (a seemingly good match for the Wilson speakers as they must be voiced in a similar fashion, but I did not find them to be a good match in my opinion with the Magico speakers), MBL (too expensive and really requiring an all MBL system, far to expensive for me), CH Precision (a very good match with the Magico speakers, but the amp/psu/preamp/psu combination I liked was just too expensive and I was really hoping to get something made from a solid company in the US), Luxman (nice but two are needed and just not the level of grit, grunt and detail of the better amps) and Boulder. Considering everything, including price I decided to go with the Boulder 1160/1110 combination. I really liked this combination with the Magico S3 2023, M2 and M3 speakers (IMO more amp, such as the Boulder 2150's or the CH Precision M10's in mono configuration, is needed for the M6 no matter what Magico says about recommended power). The speed and the power of Boulder amp pairs well with the Magicos.

I understand that some find this combination of Magico and Boulder to be clinical, and perhaps it is, a bit. But when the recording is right, they do not sound clinical at all, they sound real, without the sugar that ends up be tiring in the long run and which some speaker/amp combinations seem to add to the mix. I just found the honesty, the realness of the Magico/Boulder combination to really be to my liking and what I am looking for in a very good stereo system (I understand that with a dedicated room and yacht like funds that you can get to audio nirvana, but for most of us that is there to dream about, just like we can dream about winning the lottery).

So, as far as this topic goes, anyone in the market for a speaker in the Magico S3 2023 price range is really encouraged to find a way to get out there and listen, listen and listen again to what is out there. I went to quite a few dealers over a pretty large geographical area and all dealers and staff were very, very pleasant to deal with and happy to show what they had and take time with me, as they will no doubt will with you. Educate yourself and find what works best for you given your parameters/circumstances. I did and it is the Magico S3 2023.
 
Thank you @Stevet for sharing your process and insight. I appreciate the thoughtful manner in how you are proceeding.

I am in the midst of a very similar process, evaluating what will replace my current Magico A5 speakers. For me, the latest Magico A series (particularly the A5), was a harbinger of a sea change in the Magico "house" sound, if there was such a thing. More musically engaging, fleshed out (tonally dense) sound quality to my ears. And each Magico I have heard since the introduction of the A5 has continued down this path. I too was set on my aural heals when I first listened to the S3 2023. The leap in transparency, bass refinement and extension of the S3 2023 was more than I anticipated. Now I am waiting to listen to the S5 2024.

I look forward to the arrival of your new S3's and hope you will continue to share your experiences.
 
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@Stevet

Thank you for sharing your informative journey about the speakers and amps you listened to before making your purchase decision.

Did you listen to all those amps with the S3 in the same room? I ask because room acoustics can affect the bass response and level of detail you get from the amp/speaker combination. When low-end issues like standing waves are properly addressed, improvements in the midrange, highs, and imaging are often the first noticeable benefits. Some may believe these issues can be resolved with cables or by changing electronics, but in reality, addressing bass issues properly is often all that's needed.
 
Good, question. I did listen to the S3 2023 in the same room with CH Precision, Burmester and Boulder amps. But I did not listen to the other amps which I mentioned with the Magico speakers. I could have listened to the S3 2023 with McIntosh and with Pass amps, but passed on that opportunity with the dealer who had that combination available with Magico as I had already ruled those amps out from prior listening (McIntosh mid fi and Pass amps not having the same level of fine detail and quality as the Boulder, Rossi and CH Precision amps, but I do note that you get a lot of power for your buck with either McIntosh or Pass amps). The other amps I mentioned were not available to be heard with Magico. Instead, and for example, I listened to the Wilson Benesch speakers with Vinnie Rossi amps and the Wilson speakers with D'Agostino amps. There are obviously limits as to what combinations are available for demonstration.
 
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Good, question. I did listen to the S3 2023 in the same room with CH Precision, Burmester and Boulder amps. But I did not listen to the other amps which I mentioned with the Magico speakers. I could have listened to the S3 2023 with McIntosh and with Pass amps, but passed on that opportunity with the dealer who had that combination available with Magico as I had already ruled those amps out from prior listening (McIntosh mid fi and Pass amps not having the same level of fine detail and quality as the Boulder, Rossi and CH Precision amps, but I do note that you get a lot of power for your buck with either McIntosh or Pass amps). The other amps I mentioned were not available to be heard with Magico. Instead, and for example, I listened to the Wilson Benesch speakers with Vinnie Rossi amps and the Wilson speakers with D'Agostino amps. There are obviously limits as to what combinations are available for demonstration.
I think you’re missing an opportunity omitting Pass Labs. based on some other experience.
They are an awesome combination with Magico, with fantastic detail reproduction, delicacy, relaxed presentation, yet the precision, dynamics, power and grip Magico’s require.

My experience is with the S5 and there are many others here successfully pairing the brands.
 
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I'm running Constellation Centaur 500 with my S3 2023 great combo , also tried my Jeff Rowland 735's also good
 
Depends on the system and it depends on the component. With a high definition system and assuming the components in question do have a different signature sound and assuming a good room and that one has good, experienced ears, and you listen carefully, it is not at all difficult to hear the differences and in fact many of the differences are often immediately apparent upon switching out one component for another. Some components, especially speakers and amps, are normally the easiest to identify as being different where there are in fact differences. Sometimes the difference is significant and sometimes subtle, and anywhere in between. There is nothing impossible about this.
 
Auditioning various speaker brands at different venues with varying electronics, cables, room acoustics, etc. will tell one what the system sounds like. Trying to evaluate performance of a single "item" (speaker, amp, etc.) within the above context and its specific contribution to the overall system sound is extremely difficult if not impossible.
 
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The Wilson speakers were nice, but too sugary for my tastes, too forgiving of the material and not detailed enough and I found the bass to be a bit flabby.
You are the first person I've ever heard accuse Wilson's of being too sugary and forgiving. I do agree that the bass can be flabby if you aren't careful though. However I am not a fan of D'Agostino with Wilsons. I find the combo to be a bit syrupy myself, it sounds like all the hard edges of the music have been filed down to be round and smooth. I greatly prefer Boulder as the sound is much faster, agile, and more detailed. But I've found you need at least the 1160, the 1161 doesn't sound nearly as good (at least with Alexias which is what I listened to both on).

I also agree that the new S3 is a wonderful speaker and you cannot go wrong with a pair.
 
I set out to listen to what was available which I could afford. I was fortunate enough to be able to travel and visited quite a few high end audio shops.
Congrats on retirement and your new system components. Sounds like you are having a great time travelling and auditioning various system combinations. I and many others are likely jealous.

If I understand your post correctly, you visited "quite a few" high end audio shops and auditioned numerous speakers with (I assume) a variety of electronics, cables, speaker placements, listening room acoustics, etc. Absent some stores that carried numerous speaker brands and eletronics where you had "some" control over the system configuration variables, how where you able to "isolate" the speaker's signature sound from the system sound?
 
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The MBL's were very interesting, but to get them to really sound like they should you have to go to at least the 111 F's or higher and use very expensive MBL electronics.
Like all generalizations, this is, IMHO, extremely inaccurate and misleading. Please provide the basis for this statement. As you see in my avatar my previous system, which I owned for seven years, consisted of the MBL 116's, a Pass Labs X250.5 amp, a CJ ET5 preamp, a Luxman D06u CDP / SACD player and Shunyata Reaserch wire / power conditioning. As you may know, the 111's are the next model "up" the line.

Suffice to say, It was the most musical, emotionally engaging system I have ever owned over my 40 some years as a serious audio hobbyist. Also, many other music lovers thouroughly enjoy the models below the 116's. Like most speaker brands, the optimal model is typically room sized dependant. However, because all models share the identical tweeter and midrange "pods" the MBL's have their distinct family sound, that being the ability to provide a very large, captivating, three dimensional soundstage.

Again, congratulations on your new system. I hope / trust that you will enjoy your music for many years to come. Best.
 
Quick update: I was thrilled with the S3Mk3, but the recently released S5 2024 has ignited a desire for more. I've placed an order for the new S5 2024 from the first batch... fingers crossed the wait won't be as lengthy as last time.
 
...yeah, that pending S5 intro slowed my decision making on the S3. I had hoped to hear the S3 in Singapore last week, but did not find a pair set up.
 
Quick update: I was thrilled with the S3Mk3, but the recently released S5 2024 has ignited a desire for more. I've placed an order for the new S5 2024 from the first batch... fingers crossed the wait won't be as lengthy as last time.
I’ve got a pair coming in Q3 2024 also. I am cautiously optimistic but the wait to I hear it in person is nerve wracking. I have a “spy” in Germany who will give me a first hand report of the new S5 debut at Munich High End 2024.
 
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I’ve got a pair coming in Q3 2024 also. I am cautiously optimistic but the wait until I hear it in person is nerve wracking. I have a “spy” in Germany who will give me a first hand report of the new S5 debut at Munich High End 2024.
Congratulations gents.
mxk116 that is going to be a very nice step up from the A5!
 
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...yeah, that pending S5 intro slowed my decision making on the S3. I had hoped to hear the S3 in Singapore last week, but did not find a pair set up.
It should really depend on the space size if you're total listening space is less then say 45- 49 square mater, I would stick with S3, if its larger, S5 would pressurized it better.
 
I’ve got a pair coming in Q3 2024 also. I am cautiously optimistic but the wait to I hear it in person is nerve wracking. I have a “spy” in Germany who will give me a first hand report of the new S5 debut at Munich High End 2024.
I'll be in Germany next week. It seems like, just as with my S3, the first time I'll get to hear the new speakers will be in Munich, long after they've been ordered.... deja vu
 
It should really depend on the space size if you're total listening space is less then say 45- 49 square mater, I would stick with S3, if its larger, S5 would pressurized it better.
My listening area is ~52 sq m, which is the main reason I waited for the S5 2024 to materialize. @exupgh12 please share your impressions of the new S5 when you have the opportunity to comment.
 
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Today, I had the opportunity to listen to the new S5 in Munich, as well as two other demonstrations of the S3. And let me tell you, the new S5 is something truly special.

While the S3 is a superb speaker, the S5 takes everything to a more relaxed and grander level. It's an amazing beast, and I'm thrilled that I've ordered it. It effortlessly fills and pressurizes the big room that Magico use without the need for a subwoofer.

P.S. The best of the show easily goes to Arias Cerat. It's truly the first time I've heard a setup I would die for.
 

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