upgrade parasound JC1 to boulder 1060 or Lamm M2.2?

Do you prefer the M2.2 over the M1.2 , or only if in the case where the speakers are a tough load ?

I actually prefer the M2.2 yes. It's got IMO more flexibility/versatility. While the 1.2 has more "feel" to it in the midrange probably because it is true Class A vs A/AB the 2.2 has more control and a bit more headroom. I like my kicks and my bass lines rock solid and visceral, my tympanis rolling and roaring. If you were to ask me how much of my listening is to small ensembles and easy listening I would say it would be at 25 to 30% only. I found that I could get close in the feel department to a stock tubed 1.2R by using tubes like the Mullard CV2492, Valvos and Amperex Blues. The 1.2 is only a few hundred bucks more expensive, with NOS tubes the 2.2 gets right in there price wise. Top 6922/6dj8s don't cost nearly as much as say top NOS 12ax7s. An instance where I would handily choose the 1.2 Reference is if the system were in a small room. It really does have the edge in harmonic texture and nuance and in a smaller room it wouldn't need to be asked to do nearly as much in the midbass as a large one.
 
I actually prefer the M2.2 yes. It's got IMO more flexibility/versatility. While the 1.2 has more "feel" to it in the midrange probably because it is true Class A vs A/AB the 2.2 has more control and a bit more headroom. I like my kicks and my bass lines rock solid and visceral, my tympanis rolling and roaring. If you were to ask me how much of my listening is to small ensembles and easy listening I would say it would be at 25 to 30% only. I found that I could get close in the feel department to a stock tubed 1.2R by using tubes like the Mullard CV2492, Valvos and Amperex Blues. The 1.2 is only a few hundred bucks more expensive, with NOS tubes the 2.2 gets right in there price wise. Top 6922/6dj8s don't cost nearly as much as say top NOS 12ax7s. An instance where I would handily choose the 1.2 Reference is if the system were in a small room. It really does have the edge in harmonic texture and nuance and in a smaller room it wouldn't need to be asked to do nearly as much in the midbass as a large one.

Given what you've said about the X2 and its midbass efficiency/ease of powering, but also what you've said about your musical tastes....would you drive them M2.2 or ML2.2?
 
Given what you've said about the X2 and its midbass efficiency/ease of powering, but also what you've said about your musical tastes....would you drive them M2.2 or ML2.2?

Two totally different amps. Fortunately the SET drives my speakers
 
Given what you've said about the X2 and its midbass efficiency/ease of powering, but also what you've said about your musical tastes....would you drive them M2.2 or ML2.2?

I've yet to get my mitts on an ML2.2. My partner does have ML2.1s but his speakers are bass assisted. Here's a curve ball. The ML2.1 has tighter bass than the now discontinued ML1.1 PP. I scratched my head with that one.

For X Series I would choose the M1.2 over the M2.2. For my tastes even over the ML2.1. ML3 is Sauron's ring, the one ring to rule them all.
 
...For X Series I would choose the M1.2 over the M2.2. For my tastes even over the ML2.1. ML3 is Sauron's ring, the one ring to rule them all.

cool...thanks.
 
I've yet to get my mitts on an ML2.2. My partner does have ML2.1s but his speakers are bass assisted. Here's a curve ball. The ML2.1 has tighter bass than the now discontinued ML1.1 PP. I scratched my head with that one.

For X Series I would choose the M1.2 over the M2.2. For my tastes even over the ML2.1. ML3 is Sauron's ring, the one ring to rule them all.

How about for a Marten Coltrane 2 , 89db @8ohm (4.1min) . In a not too large room , could you possibly figure this one .....
 
I heard the M2.2s on an Analysis Audio Amphitryon in Queen's, brilliant. The guy also prefers 2.2 to the pure class A (I think 1.2 or 2.1 I keep getting confused). That is because the 2.2 gives out the extra current the panels require for orchestral music.
 
How about for a Marten Coltrane 2 , 89db @8ohm (4.1min) . In a not too large room , could you possibly figure this one .....

If I did it would only be pure conjecture :(
 
boulder 1060 is out of my list now

how about the dartzeel 108B? I got many great feedback on it.

thanks

tao

Hi

Welcome to WBF.
A question: Why is the Boulder 1060 out of your list? It remains a sublime amplifier and one that will drive any speaker you present to it in most rooms, including palatial. The thing about Boulder (and a few others like Burmester, FM Acoustics, Dar Tzeel, etc) is that they don't change their amps often.. The 1060 has been in production since 1999! Compare this to the blatant commercialism of ARC which seems to spurt out a new model every other year... The 1060 is a seriously good, transparent amplifier. it plays music as provided to it. You combine that with your CJ you may be done looking for an amp for a long time.

Your speakers are not such a tough load IMO. They can be driven by the Dartzeel 108 if you like its sound. Again Dar Tzeel doesn't go around changing amps ,models or components every other day... Another very good amplifier BTW which may end your search for amp. It may not drive all speakers well.

In spite the tendency to look down at them because of their (relatively) low price, the Sanders amps are worth an audition and may walk over many celebrated and vastly more expensive amplifiers. On top of that they provide a 30-days at home trial. a lot of time to assess what they do in your system.
I am not one to believe that Class A amps are automatically superior, my favorite amplifiers are mostly Class A/B and I am being extremely pleased by the new slew of Class D amplifiers coming out.
Give yourself the opportunity to listen to some of these I would suggest to get a Devialet in your system and audition these ... There are many others ,

I would in this system audition :
The Boulder 1060 (would have been my top choice)
The Dar Tzeel 108
The Sanders Magtech (monos or stereos)

I haven't heard the Lamm 2.2 enough to form an opinion so ...
 
actually the boulder is back to my list
I only turn on my system for no more than 2 hour each day, sometime only one hour or less
I need my system be ready in short time, my current system need 30 minutes warm up time, so the new amp should be less
I under the impression boulder need 4 hour to warm up and sound good. to me it is deal breaker
further discussion I found that the 1060 idle power only 75W, which mean I can leave it on idle 24/7
from idle, it should require almost no time to sound good. if this is the case, it will be ideal

I just listen to a system with Sasha 2 + audio reaserch big tube mono amp + the latest dCS gear
it did not impress me at all.
my current system, sound so good. it really make me wonder if the upgrade is necessary at all
 
Have a stab at it please , am all ears ;)

I'd really love to but the problem is I'm not familiar with Marten's house sound at all. Matches could be made anywhere from wrong and right as well as everything in between. Ceramic drivers are usually nice and punchy, the 1.2s might just be great but I don't know how they voiced the XOs. :(
 
...The thing about Boulder (and a few others like Burmester, FM Acoustics, Dar Tzeel, etc) is that they don't change their amps often.. The 1060 has been in production since 1999! Compare this to the blatant commercialism of ARC which seems to spurt out a new model every other year... The 1060 is a seriously good, transparent amplifier. it plays music as provided to it. You combine that with your CJ you may be done looking for an amp for a long time....

Interesting comments...and i realize i must agree. Looking back, I have combined CJ Pre with Gryphon Amp for the last 7 years (Gryphon's Antileon having been in production since early 90s and still in production today and my current Colosseum for 7+ years and still going), and i have to admit, as Frantz says, i have no desire to change this combo. As long as they components stay healthy and fit...i will not be changing them for some time to come.
 
Interesting comments...and i realize i must agree. Looking back, I have combined CJ Pre with Gryphon Amp for the last 7 years (Gryphon's Antileon having been in production since early 90s and still in production today and my current Colosseum for 7+ years and still going), and i have to admit, as Frantz says, i have no desire to change this combo. As long as they components stay healthy and fit...i will not be changing them for some time to come.

:D

The 1.2 has been unchanged for at least as long and won golden ears, editors choice and recommended component class A through all those years. That's just TAS and Stereophile. It's one of the very few almost all publications including Online mags agree on AND it's got legs. It is something we Lamm distributors are very proud of. :)
 
I just wanted to add that in my experience the M hybrids sound okay after 30 minutes, very stable at 45 but like the Boulder sound BEST after about 4 hours. Something just happens at that mark. WTF special. I jump start the process by turning them on without the HVAC on. This cuts that down to 1.5 hours. Only then do I turn on the HVAC. Obviously we don't have cold weather here so ambient room temperature is always warm.
 
boulder 1060 is out of my list now

how about the dartzeel 108B? I got many great feedback on it.

thanks

tao

The only way you will know is to install in your system and listen.

Otherwise, you are simply throwing darts. With your eyes closed.
 
I would suggest working with a dealer who has several amps you can test. If you want the reliability of solid state with the three dimensionally of tubes I would suggest DarTZeel or Audionet. I have just finished a review of the Audionet Max monoblocks, it will post soon.
 
If I was going to change gear Boulder would surely be on my short list.
 

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