I am not sure if it is thick heavy only because classic records did much better reissues than analog productions on the same performances. And originals are thin to thick. They come in all thicknesses.
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I am not sure if it is thick heavy only because classic records did much better reissues than analog productions on the same performances. And originals are thin to thick. They come in all thicknesses.
Yes, I really have never understood -- at least with regard to pop re-issues -- why there is such a dogmatic dislike of the thicker and higher-purity vinyl.
most of the rock and classical reissues are not as sonically good as the originals. That can easily be heard. I have no idea if it is due to thickness of vinyl only, as the equipment and engineers were different as well.
Well, it's a very rainy day here today. So I should have some time this afternoon to give this a try.
Anticipating debate about streaming versions, is there a particular version of "Oh Daddy" on Qobuz you want me to use for the streaming contender?
Anticipating debate about streaming versions, is there a particular version of "Oh Daddy" on Qobuz you want me to use for the streaming contender?
I heard multiple demonstrations in Utah and then heard the same thing in my own system. But if you don’t listen to that type of music and are happy with what you’ve got, it’s not a big deal.
Have you listened to those very special LPs you got from the general? Compare those to some re-issues. I’d be curious to know if you can hear a difference.
No. Ebiye made me promise that I would play his LPs using only a linear-tracking tonearm. He said that his standing offer to me to buy them back is conditioned upon never playing them with a non-linear-tracking tonearm.
I won't have a linear-tracking tonearm until the Reed 5T is set up.
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i know but we are a snobbish bunch here, pop
I thought you mentioned classical music aficionados always denigrating re-issues and 45 RPMs.
Where is all the dogmatic bashing of pop music on thick vinyl? Who listens to that stuff and where do you see all the dogmatic attitude?
Forgive me if I am incorrect. I thought you and Tim sweep into the anti-re-issue bucket pop re-issues as well.
well now this really confuses me. I’m not anti-reissue per se, I just prefer originals. I tried to express that opinion earlier. Even if you thought that, Tim and I do not make up a very big group of classical music aficionados. We are but two people.
I don’t know if I’ve ever heard a pop re-issue on thick vinyl or the 45s. I don’t think I own any. I don’t know where you would’ve gotten that impression from me. As you correctly pointed out, the comparisons I made at my house and in Utah were classical and jazz music.
I was just given my college roommates entire pop music collection from the early 80s when we were in college together. I don’t know if I will ever listen to them but they are all originals. If I ever want to buy anything from that era I’ll just go to a used record store and buy an original. Or EBay.
I'm guessing Jaysaudiolab used the 2001 version so you could try that to compare. Personally I prefer the 2004 version of Rumours.
When you and Tim write about your general preference for original pressings over re-issues, and about your general preference for standard weight vinyl over heavy weight vinyl, I do not recall you omitting pop music re-issues. Thank you for clarifying.
Real versus home stereo , recorded with the same phone
I sat in a church today in brussels for 40 min and made a couple of vids .
Music isn t the same as in my vid off course .
I m tired of having to accept " truths " from people with so called " advanced listening skills " .
Why not compare the raw data
Real Samsung A 52s
Fake Samsung A 52 s
No bass pipe ( closed speaker ) CAT JL5 black path
With bass pipe CAT JL 2 sign Samsung A 70
I sat in a church today in brussels for 40 min and made a couple of vids .
Music isn t the same as in my vid off course .
I m tired of having to accept " truths " from people with so called " advanced listening skills " .
Why not compare the raw data
Real Samsung A 52s
Fake Samsung A 52 s
No bass pipe ( closed speaker ) CAT JL5 black path
With bass pipe CAT JL 2 sign Samsung A 70
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Ron: “PS: For our classical music aficionados who routinely denigrate re-issues, my 45RPM re-issue of Rumours sounds better than (I cannot say sounds "more natural" than because in a multi-track, EQed, pop recording there is no "natural" or original musical event to be faithful to) any of my original pressings.”
Ron, so when you write “classical music aficionados who routinely denigrate re-issues”, thick vinyl and 45s, you’re really only talking about two people right? Why not simply state Peter and Tim? How could Tim and I possibly cause you to make such a gross generalization?
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Ron, where are you seeing all of this “dogmatic dislike“ with regard to pop re-issues?
Okay, here you're forgiven.
I don't sweep anywhere with pop reissues. Wrt classical, I'm on record being thankful for classical reissues otherwise I would not get a chance to enjoy many of the great performances on my stereo. If I find original issuance of something I want I will choose it over a reissue if it is in M or M- condition if I can afford it. I don't do high priced stuff like ERC.I won't turn down a classical reissue that I want if it is on thicker vinyl. Originals are frequently on 'normal' vinyl (what's that 150g?), reissues are often on thicker vinyl -- the original usually sounds better but not soley because of the vinyl thickness. For me its more about acquiring the music I want in the condition I want than it is about what you're talking here.
Okay, here you're forgiven.
I won't turn down a classical reissue that I want if it is on thicker vinyl. Originals are frequently on 'normal' vinyl (what's that 150g?), reissues are often on thicker vinyl -- the original usually sounds better but not soley because of the vinyl thickness. For me its more about acquiring the music I want in the condition I want than it is about what you're talking here.
very few can acquire the expensive originals. It is fine to have reissues. I think the discussion is which is sonically better, not which one can afford.
Ron confused that originals are any originals including 70s pop, same way as Al M thought after comparing 70s pop at Ron’s that “golden era” vinyl is not necessarily as good.
I'm vaguely recalling we did listen to a rock album at David's. Canna remember what it was and we probably didn't compare it to anything. It is mentioned in my write-up of the visit in your Natural Sound thread. I like rock, played in a rock band, but my taste has changed. Even when I was into rock I was buying classical records knowing that would happen as I got older.
Yes, we listened to some rock on David‘s system to see how it would sound on that system. We did not compare different pressings of the same rock record to make some judgment about re-issue versus original.
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