Bulls Betting on “Something Very Big” From the Fed: Rosenberg

[Steve williams]

From Yahoo Finance

Ignoring the latest spike in Spanish bond yields and big drop in German investor confidence, stocks jumped Tuesday. In recent trading, the Dow was up 156 points, or 1% while the S&P 500 was up 1.3%.
Better-than-expected U.S. housing data certainly helped the mood but the rally was largely driven by expectations for more action by the Federal Reserve at this week's policy meeting, which concludes Wednesday.
"There's a lot of hope out there we'll see something out of the FOMC tomorrow," says David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist at Gluskin Sheff. "There's no question the market is positioned for the Fed to announce something very big tomorrow, probably in the form of another round of quantitative easing."
In keeping with his bearish reputation, Rosenberg believes the bulls will be "disappointed" by the Fed meeting.
First, he does not believe the FOMC will announce another round of quantitative easing (at least not this week.) Second, and more importantly, he (among many others) notes the half-life of each successive Fed action has been smaller than the last.
"You may get a bout of near-term euphoria but what I think what's more important for investors is the impact from these rounds of quantitative easings are increasingly losing their allure," Rosenberg says. "The impact on risk appetite could last a couple of days or a couple of hours but it's not going to have nearly the same impact as it has previously."
More importantly, there's nothing the Fed can do to resolve Europe's fundamental crisis or address the looming U.S. 'fiscal cliff', he says. "There's abundant uncertainty right now and, frankly, monetary policy is a very blunt tool to deal with fiscal policy uncertainty."
Still, every trader knows you 'don't fight the Fed' and hope springs eternal on Wall Street for more action from Ben Bernanke.

 

[RogerD]

1367 to 1370 on the SPX is big resistance,also 12,950 to 13K on the Dow. This rally looks to be a countertrend pop up and if it fails 11,800 to 11,000 would be the downside target if a C down. If this is a wave 2 up,11,000 would be support.

Don't let anybody B.S. you this Spanish and Italian bond yields above 7 pct is serious stuff.....

 

[Steve williams]

Investors hoping for Fed action to boost economy

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP


WASHINGTON — The Federal Reserve, meeting at a time of heightened uncertainty, is expected to provide further support for a slumping U.S. economy. But there is no consensus over what form the added support will take.

Some private economists believe the Fed will launch another round of bond buying in an effort to drive long-term interest rates even lower. The aim would be to spur more borrowing, spending and economic growth.

At the very least, many economists believe the Fed will stress its readiness to do more should the economy weaken further.

The Fed was scheduled to conclude its two-day meeting on Wednesday with the release of a statement outlining any changes in policy. That will be followed by an updated economic forecast from the central bank and then finally a news conference by Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Wall Street rallied on hopes that the Fed will announce that more help is on the way. The Dow Jones industrial average climbed 95.51 points on Tuesday to its highest close in a month.

Bernanke and other Fed officials have acknowledged the U.S. economy is sputtering and the threats posed to it by Europe's debt crisis.

The Fed has kept its key policy lever, the federal funds rate, at a record low near zero since December 2008. And it has said it plans to keep it there until at least late 2014.

Given that it can't drive short-term rates any lower, the Fed has tried to further reduce long-term rates by buying more than $2 trillion in Treasury bonds and mortgage-backed securities. The idea is for those lower rates to help boost spending, hiring and economic growth.

Bernanke has sent no clear signal of the Fed's next move. He has said Fed officials need to see whether the economy can grow fast enough to accelerate hiring. U.S. employers added just 69,000 jobs in May. Since averaging a healthy 252,000 a month from December through February, job growth has slowed to a lackluster average of 96,000 over the past three months.

Here's a look at the Fed's options:

_ EXTEND OPERATION TWIST

Under Operation Twist, the Fed has been gradually selling $400 billion in short-term Treasury securities since September and using the proceeds to buy longer-term Treasurys.

In doing so, the Fed seeks to "twist" long-term rates lower relative to short-term rates. Operation Twist has the advantage of potentially lowering long-term rates without expanding the Fed's record-high portfolio. When the Fed expands its portfolio of investments, critics argue that it raises the risk of high inflation later.

Operation Twist is set to expire at the end of the month. Many analysts say the Fed will announce it will continue to swap short-term securities it owns for longer-term securities for a few more months. But the benefit would likely be slight. The Fed has a dwindling supply of short-term securities it can swap. Some think any new Operation Twist would be only about half the size of the expiring program.

_ QEIII

When the Fed expands its portfolio by buying more bonds, it's called quantitative easing, or QE. It's already engaged in two rounds of QE totaling more than $2 trillion. A possible third round has been dubbed QEIII.

This would be the most dramatic move the Fed could make to try to further drive down long-term rates. It would also trigger the most criticism because it would expand the Fed's holdings by billions more dollars.

Opponents warn that further bond purchases would do little to help and would risk higher inflation in the future.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday that another round of Fed bond purchases would "put in question the future value of the dollar and it will obviously encourage inflation down the road."

Supporters of further bond purchases counter that last week's news that consumer prices fell in May by the most since late 2008 showed that inflation is hardly a threat.

More bond purchases, if they were to lead to lower rates, could also lift the stock market if they led many investors to shift money out of low-yielding bonds into stocks. The Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association issued a survey Tuesday showing that two-thirds of the Wall Street economists it surveyed expect the Fed to announce more bond buying.

_ STRONGER LANGUAGE

Under this option, the Fed would change the wording of the statement it issues after each meeting. It could do so in two ways. It could be more definitive in pledging to help should the economy weaken further and perhaps spell out what those steps could be.

Or it could push back its timeframe for when it expects to begin raising short-term rates beyond its current target of late-2014, until some time in 2015.

_ DO NOTHING

This would represent a continuation of the Fed's decisions at its policy meetings in March and April. After each of those meetings, it kept its policy-making on hold. But a no-change meeting would risk disappointing investors and triggering a sell-off on Wall Street. That, in turn, could further dampen consumer and business confidence, an outcome the Fed would not like to see.

 

[RogerD]

9:30 PST we find out about QE3. The FED will not fire it's gun now as it risks a blank shot. They will wait and see and only make the move when it is necessary aka a crisis. Again watch the Euro Bund and other debt bonds for Spain,Italy,ect.. If the spreads continue to widen,it could lead to a all bets are off situation.

 

[NorthStar]

With the financial turmoil reigning in the Euro zone, without control, no fed, no leader getting their act together; the American continent is drawing closer to a 'sonar eclipse'.

And Greece is having more food banks (food penury)!
And Egypt is becoming more regimental (military ruling)!

South America, Central America, North America, and Canada are going the way of the wave.

 

[JackD201]

I thought this was about the Chicago Bulls and the draft

 

[NorthStar]

---Not even close Jack. :b

 

[cjfrbw]

Maybe just the election year "put". After the elections, things will collapse again.

 

[RogerD]

1.2550 for the Euro is critical. Looks like the market has started impulsing down.....C wave or a 3rd wave would test support at the previos lows and breaking that could take us to 11K or lower.

 

[NorthStar]

The economies in our countries (USA & Canada) are in a doldrum till at least 2014!
...According to the economists, the experts on debt matters and the banks.
Financing is the responsability of all. ...But in particular it starts with our financial institutions.
...And the researches into private and public companies.

Any of you surprised? Do you think all the people behind the economy are doing their job?
Our government, the feds? Our insurance firms? Our politicians? Our systems of living right?
Our markets?

 

[RogerD]

Only one week and the markets seem to be getting the message.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/22/mario-monti-week-save-eurozone

Probably the most important chart in the world.....The Euro Bond daily.

http://screencast.com/t/mUhtulf29fGs

 

[Ki Choi]

Have you guys read this book?

http://www.amazon.com/Aftershock-Protect-Yourself-Financial-Meltdown/dp/0470481560

I don't get into the doom and gloom theory easily, but he does show convincing historical data in his argument.

 

[NorthStar]

---I think that the entire financial world banking system has to be revisited and improved greatly.

But it ain't easy with billions of people having different ideas!

The world markets are way too corrupted, and controlled by only a small group of main players.

Not easy to create a world of peace and loving care for all Earth citizens!

 

[RogerD]

---I think that the entire financial world banking system has to be revisited and improved greatly.

But it ain't easy with billions of people having different ideas!

The world markets are way too corrupted, and controlled by only a small group of main players.

Not easy to create a world of peace and loving care for all Earth citizens!

John Kenneth Galbraith coined the term "Bezzle" for the corruption created during the 1920's,and 1929 was the cleansing.

This Bezzle breaks all records. Saint Peter will have the stop sign lit for a long,long time with this bunch....do not enter...go straight to hell.

“In many ways the effect of the crash on embezzlement was more significant than on suicide. To the economist embezzlement is the most interesting of crimes. Alone among the various forms of larceny it has a time parameter. Weeks, months or years may elapse between the commission of the crime and its discovery. (This is a period, incidentally, when the embezzler has his gain and the man who has been embezzled, oddly enough, feels no loss. There is a net increase in psychic wealth.) At any given time there exists an inventory of undiscovered embezzlement in – or more precisely not in – the country’s business and banks. This inventory – it should perhaps be called the bezzle – amounts at any moment to many millions of dollars. It also varies in size with the business cycle. In good times people are relaxed, trusting, and money is plentiful. But even though money is plentiful, there are always many people who need more. Under these circumstances the rate of embezzlement grows, the rate of discovery falls off, and the bezzle increases rapidly. In depression all this is reversed. Money is watched with a narrow, suspicious eye. The man who handles it is assumed to be dishonest until he proves himself otherwise. Audits are penetrating and meticulous. Commercial morality is enormously improved. The bezzle shrinks.” JKG

 

[NorthStar]

---Good read and good to research too (the man, the economist, and history repeating itself) Roger.

It is amazing the education system as well, and the world's mentality regarding money, power and all this material world.
There is no control, no balance at all. The law is the one of the jungle, irresponsible of the humanity's well-being (men/women/children & nature); just like animals without using their brains.

What's best to do in cases like these? ...Nothing?
Or simply follow the beat of the riches and think that we are better than the others?
Look at our bank accounts and material possessions and evaluate our surroundings based on that?

How much brain power are we using? Are we losing it?

The world is comprised of five continents. ...And some water between; much less than what it seems to when you consider the entire Earth structure (4D).

But we are all condemned somehow by the same financial degeneration,
instead of the opposite: evolution!

 

[RogerD]

---Good read and good to research too (the man, the economist, and history repeating itself) Roger.

It is amazing the education system as well, and the world's mentality regarding money, power and all this material world.
There is no control, no balance at all. The law is the one of the jungle, irresponsible of the humanity's well-being (men/women/children & nature); just like animals without using their brains.

What's best to do in cases like these? ...Nothing?
Or simply follow the beat of the riches and think that we are better than the others?
Look at our bank accounts and material possessions and evaluate our surroundings based on that?

How much brain power are we using? Are we losing it?

The world is comprised of five continents. ...And some water between; much less than what it seems to when you consider the entire Earth structure (4D).

But we are all condemned somehow by the same financial degeneration,
instead of the opposite: evolution!

Bob,

Ponzi schemes,the big lie,corruption no matter how big,sooner or later are found out or destroy themselves. Call it Karma or whatever,but evil is evil and there has always been the more powerful good.,thank God for that.

 

[NorthStar]

---Roger, are we too awared or simply too sensitive? :b