Undisclosed Finding by Mars Rover Fuels Intrigue

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The Mars rover Curiosity has found something — something noteworthy, in a pinch of Martian sand. But what is it?
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The scientists working on the mission who know are not saying. Outside of that team, lots of people are guessing.

The intrigue started last week when John P. Grotzinger, the Mars mission’s project scientist, told National Public Radio: “This data is going to be one for the history books. It’s looking really good.”

And then he declined to say anything more.

Fossils? Living microbial Martians? Maybe the carbon-based molecules known as organics, which are the building blocks of life? That so much excitement could be set off by a passing hint reflects the enduring fascination of both scientists and nonscientists with Mars.

“It could be all kinds of things,” said Peter H. Smith, a planetary scientist at the University of Arizona who was the principal investigator for NASA’s earlier Phoenix Mars mission but is not involved with Curiosity. “If it’s historic, I think it’s organics. That would be historic in my book.”

Dr. Grotzinger and other Curiosity scientists will announce their latest findings on Monday in San Francisco at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union.

Do not expect pictures of Martians, though.

Guy Webster, a spokesman for NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., which operates Curiosity, said the findings would be “interesting” rather than “earthshaking.”

Mr. Webster noted that “a really big announcement,” if one should occur, would most likely be made at NASA headquarters in Washington and not at an academic conference.

Whatever is revealed will be linked to the work of Curiosity’s sophisticated chemistry laboratory instrument, Sample Analysis at Mars — SAM, for short. The rover’s robotic arm dropped the first bit of sand and dust into the instrument on Nov. 9, and the scientists have been analyzing and contemplating ever since.

One of the main goals of SAM is to identify organic molecules, but it would be a big surprise for organics to show up in a first look at a sand sample selected more as a test exercise than with the expectation of a breakthrough discovery.

Curiosity will be headed toward layers of clays, which could be rich in organics and are believed to have formed during a warm and wet era early in the planet’s history. But Curiosity has months to drive before arriving at those locations.

And the Curiosity scientists have learned through experience that it pays to double-check their results before trumpeting them. An initial test of the Martian atmosphere by the same instrument showed the presence of methane, which would have been a major discovery, possibly indicating the presence of methane-generating microbes living on Mars today. But when the scientists ran the experiment again, the signs of methane disappeared, leading them to conclude that the methane found in the first test had come from air that the spacecraft had carried to Mars from its launching spot in Florida.

Mr. Webster, who was present during the interview with NPR, said Dr. Grotzinger had been talking more generally about the quality of data coming back from Curiosity and was not suggesting that the data contained a breakthrough surprise. “I don’t think he had in mind, ‘Here’s some particular chemical that’s been found,’ ” Mr. Webster said. “That’s not my impression of the conversation.”

On Twitter, Curiosity chimed in: “What did I discover on Mars? That rumors spread fast online. My team considers this whole mission ‘one for the history books.’ ” (The public information staff at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory writes the posts for the rover.)

This would not be the first time that rumors eclipsed the actual findings from Mars.

In 2002, the Mars Odyssey orbiter found evidence of frozen reservoirs of water beneath the surface of Mars, leading to breathless rumors in the British press that the Bush administration was about to announce a commitment to send astronauts there within 20 years. The White House remained quiet.

Dr. Smith, the Phoenix Mars scientist, had a similar experience in 2008 when Aviation Week reported, “The White House has been alerted by NASA about plans to make an announcement soon on major new Phoenix lander discoveries concerning the ‘potential for life’ on Mars.”

“The blogosphere lit up,” Dr. Smith said.

At a hastily arranged news conference, Dr. Smith revealed the actual news: chemicals known as perchlorates had been found in the soil. “The public was not interested in that,” he said.

If Curiosity’s pinch of sand indeed contained organics, it would again revive the possibilities of life on Mars. For now, Curiosity scientists are still analyzing the data.

“I do want to temper expectations,” said Mr. Webster, the spokesman. “But then again, I don’t know exactly what they’re going to say they’ve found.”
 
Jimmy Hoffa..
 
Hello, Steve.
If it’s historic, I think it’s organics
That was my first thought. I doubt it would be alive and even if it is, I'm sure it would be microbial anyway.

Tom
 
Bill Clinton's missing "stain".
 
Have been following this -- huge news, if so, about the conditions where life can or did exist and the prevalence of it in the universe. As pointed out, hard to think what would be historic other than organics.
 
Have been following this -- huge news, if so, about the conditions where life can or did exist and the prevalence of it in the universe. As pointed out, hard to think what would be historic other than organics.

an obelisk woud be good :)
 
In a pinch of Martian sand?
 
Ah, my bad Steve. I was going off of the article and what they may have found in the pinch of sand.
 
Too soon to declare 'life' on Mars, NASA says

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/11/29/too-soon-to-declare-life-on-mars-nasa-says/#ixzz2Der5rxf4

If there are little green men on Mars, they haven’t shown up yet.
NASA has quelled rumors that a “major discovery” from the latest robotic probe on the Red planet was some form of indication of life. If there’s anything out there, we haven’t seen it yet, the agency said.
“At this point in the mission, the instruments on the rover have not detected any definitive evidence of Martian organics,” the space agency said in a press release issued by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a California division responsible for the Curiosity probe.

The speculation began on Nov. 20, when Curiosity chief scientist John Grotzinger of Caltech in Pasadena told NPR “this data is gonna be one for the history books.” Grotzinger works on a team studying data from the rover’s Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument, an onboard chemistry lab able to identify organic compounds -- carbon-based molecules that are essentially the building blocks of life.
Grotzinger’s enthusiasm led to wildly overblown speculation that such compounds -- as well as biological compounds, little green men, and even Jimmy Hoffa -- had been found.
“Rumors and speculation that there are major new findings from the mission at this early stage are incorrect,” the JPL statement says. “The news conference will be an update about first use of the rover's full array of analytical instruments to investigate a drift of sandy soil,” an important but far less eye catching report.
Other scientists have already made efforts to end speculation, declaring emphatically that the findings will not be "proof" of life on Mars.
"This is going to be a disappointment," said Chris McKay, a NASA space scientist at Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif. "The press description of the
SAM results as 'earthshaking' is, in my view, an unfortunate exaggeration. We have not (yet) found anything in SAM that was not already known from previous missions: Phoenix and Viking," he told Space.com.
Curiosity’s SAM tool is also studying the air on Mars in hopes of detecting methane, something produced by many organisms on Earth. The robot has found no definitive evidence of the gas yet either.
The Mars Science Laboratory Project and its Curiosity rover are less than four months into a two-year prime mission to investigate whether conditions in Mars' Gale Crater may have been favorable for microbial life.
Curiosity is exceeding all expectations for a new mission with all of the instruments and measurement systems performing well, NASA says.
The mission already has found an ancient riverbed on the Red Planet, and there is every expectation for remarkable discoveries still to come.
 
So, no organics. No earthshaking news. No major discovery. Yet, it's noteworthy and according to John Grotzinger....."The data will be one for the history books". 20 days have come and gone and we still don't know anything but that "something" has created a stir. IMO they should either spit it out or keep their flaps shut.

Tom
 

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