Merging + NADAC @ the Pacific NW (this week) & SoundStage review

ST-2 channel is $10.5k and MC-8 channel is $11.5k if I'm not mistaken

I think there was a price rise from the factory at the beginning of January '16 - my understanding is ST2 is US$11.5k (A$17k here) and 8 Channel is US$12.5k (A$20k). But then again, Philip may have elected to soak up the price rise over in your neck of the woods.

Either way - it a very inexpensive converter for what it can do, IMHO. I agree with Steve, in terms of "sound per £" , as the Poms say :), it is very reasonably priced, and probably should have hit the US market around the US20k mark.

But I am sure Philip can chime in and put the rrp beyond doubt.
 
Here is my usual photostory of Pacific Northwest Audio Society, hosting the honorable Philip O Hanlon demonstrating the Merging Technologies, NADAC DAC: http://nadac.merging.com/

The meeting was at one of our beautiful little waterfront towns, Kirkland. I came early so that I could hog the center seat in the front row and did exactly that! :D

The set up is the club's standard system which is donated by our own Gary Koh of Genesis:

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The NADAC is the white box on top. It is driving a Genesis Class-D amp directly acting as both pre-amp and DAC.

The room is large and bare. A bit of absorption occurs with the carpets on the floor.

The master of ceremonies of course was Philip and this picture captures it all:

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He was dressed in Southern California Chic which means any color you wear is OK as long as it is black! :D Philip had gone as far as wearing black bowtie. He looked sharp.

Going past the looks, Phillip was a delight to listen to. Unassuming, non-religious (about formats), absolutely knowledgeable about the music he was playing, and with a relaxed, fun attitude that put a smile on my face. He could not leave a more positive impression with me.

As Bruce said, he started with handing out CDs of what we are about to hear which is one of the best thing anyone doing demos can do. While I also used Google to look up songs, having the original music to bring home and listen was a wonderful surprise. This man knows how to take care of audiophiles!

The starting track was from a live unreleased album of Suzanne Vega in Tokyo. Track name is Small Blue Thing. As a big fan of her, it was great to see Phillip open with that.

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Most of the content played were from analog captures, mostly LPs but some tape too. The former was the case in comparing a PCM at 24/186 against 2X DSD captured from Steve's system. Two completely different turntables and phono amps were used so this is not a format comparison and philip was very open with that.

I found the PCM version lacking in fidelity. Vocal (level) balance did not seem right to me. The capture from Steve's system was better for sure but in both cases I was left empty. It didn't sound as good an analog source, nor did it sound like good digital. There was a clear signature of an analog source with artifacts (to these rusty ears) with sharply defined differences between the two analog setups. The DAC's job here was done in transparently and easily demonstrating that.

Another comparison was again DSD versus PCM. But they were downloads from different sites and according to Bruce, they were sourced from different analog sources/mixes.

The last set of comparisons were as Bruce mentioned. These were captures starting from 44.1 going up to 192 Khz using Pacific Microsonic's Model 2 ADC. My ears would focus on the sound in the room as this is the second time I have been there. What difference there were in sample rates was lost on me. The room and the sound reproduced was way more noticeable to me than differences in source sampling. Bruce and Gary are used to that room and system far more than me and can listen past it. I could not. So I defer to their evaluations.

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I will say that Keith Johnson had strong preference for multiples of 44.1 Khz sampling. His point was simple and valid: since all content winds up on CD/online, the final sample rate there is always 44.1 Khz. So if you want to produce high-res versions of the same in capture, why not use multiples of that to keep the resampling easier and more accurate (not as much of an issue these days with software resamplers). So maybe PM2 was designed to play better in 44.1 Khz multiples than 48 Khz.

The NADAC has a very nice industrial design that is attractive but not over the top:
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The amp is the black box below the Oppo player:
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Playing in that room, it was relatively easy to get it to clip and it did that on the left channel more although I heard it on both. This was a distraction for me as every peak had a bit of static. The amp is discontinued and is rated at 130 watts. In such a large room with speakers in that relatively small cabinet means one needs lots of juice.

As always I am a playlist thief and this was not an exception:
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NADAC can be configured with up to 8 channels neatly laid out in the back:
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Cables were provided by Gary/Club.

The Ethernet input uses XLR connection. It was driven point to point from the Mac laptop (i.e, no router/switch in the middle). Protocol used over Ethernet is Ravenna.

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Multiple devices can connect simultaneously to it and push content to it.

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Overall it was a great night, meeting friends and getting to shake hands with Phillip in person. Heard good music. As to the DAC, well, it is a DAC :). It produced what it was told to do, revealing small differences between sources with authority. As for the various shoot outs, no conclusions could be drawn. FWIW, the audience picked 2X DSD as the best followed closely by 24/186 PCM and 1X DSD a distant third. I was not smart enough or have good enough hearing to be able to assert that.

The meeting was fun and worth the four drive roundtrip for sure. Look forward to meeting Phillip again in the future. Merging is lucky to have him as their representative for their product....
 
Here are some of the tracks I captured using music recognition on my phone: https://play.google.com/music/preview/Tlboa7c6cht5rp7thzencnsqqyi?u=0#

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This was the Depeche Mode track that pushed amp past its comfort zone by far: https://play.google.com/music/preview/T6jvze5vh7wke6m3chtp33k5fde?u=0#
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https://play.google.com/music/preview/Ta4ho2cs476uqi3upksyaphurx4?u=0#
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The Sax in the above was excellent.

This is the Cat Steven's track/album that was used for the comparison of DSD vs PCM: https://play.google.com/music/preview/T4on5b53paigomiy5tc3b3pka6m?u=0#
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This is the album/track that was used to step through all the PCM sampling rates: https://play.google.com/music/preview/T5moolgonchlbmmbbunjv3ekdnu?u=0#
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As always the above may be the wrong editions but the album/track names are likely to be correct.
 
Thanks for your thoughts, Amir. Indeed Philip is a pleasure to be around as his enthusiasm for music very apparent.

As I write this I am listening to my NADAC playing an album streamed from Tidal (that Andrew Stenhouse recommended) up sampled to DSD 256 via HQPlayer; it sounds amazing...
 
Thanks for the photo's Amir, and the system report.

Happy to be of service Ian ;)

My experience of the Nadac was that DSD 256 reproduction (whether native or via HQP) was beguiling. In my humble opinion that is what the Nadac truly excels with - high sample rate DSD. I also like DXD, but thought that DSD just had a sense of "ease" and "space" with it, which was unique in my own experience of digital-land.

Multiple devices can connect simultaneously to it and push content to it.

Well, that is the theory. Phillip wisely went for the single switch set up method.

Which is the only practical one for demonstration purposes. Pity he didn't use Windows Laptop with an ASIO driver. There is an audible difference between DSD 128 over DoP and DSD 256 via ASIO. The latter was (is) head and shoulders the best digital I have experienced. But of course I haven't experienced eg Lampi, dCS Rossini etc. So YMMV, of course.

I'd love to have some members who were there report on how they found the sound, within the context of the system used.
 
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Thanks Amir for the pics and everyone for the observations.
 
Nice report Amir. Thank you for posting and sharing the photos. I just heard the NADAC last weekend at MadFloyd's house. I preferred native DSD recordings to upsampled PCM. The DSD most closely resembled the analog, IMO, and sounded extremely good.
 
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Thanks for the photo's Amir, and the system report.

Happy to be of service Ian ;)

My experience of the Nadac was that DSD 256 reproduction (whether native or via HQP) was beguiling. In my humble opinion that is what the Nadac truly excels with - high sample rate DSD. I also like DXD, but thought that DSD just had a sense of "ease" and "space" with it, which was unique in my own experience of digital-land.




Which is the only practical one for demonstration purposes. Pity he didn't use Windows Laptop with an ASIO driver. There is an audible difference between DSD 128 over DoP and DSD 256 via ASIO. The latter was (is) head and shoulders the best digital I have experienced. But of course I haven't experienced eg Lampi, dCS Rossini etc. So YMMV, of course.

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Totally agree on the ASIO driver
 
Just in case I forgot to mention, Phillip said he had done his analog captures using GRIMM Audio ADC. He is getting a Merging ADC for the future.
 
Just in case I forgot to mention, Phillip said he had done his analog captures using GRIMM Audio ADC. He is getting a Merging ADC for the future.

Amir, do you know what the second analog source was for these vinyl rips? At what resolution were they played back at and was it PCM or DSD? It is interesting that you heard the differences between the two analog sources but not the differences between the different digital upsampling rates. What do you think accounts for that?
 
Amir, do you know what the second analog source was for these vinyl rips?
Phillip mentioned the turntable, cartridge names/brands but not being into the format, it went in one ear and then the other :). Maybe Gary remembers and can provide the info.

At what resolution were they played back at and was it PCM or DSD? It is interesting that you heard the differences between the two analog sources but not the differences between the different digital upsampling rates. What do you think accounts for that?
The difference between analog formats to my ears was quite pronounced. I say even the levels were different as were the frequency responses. On Digital sampling rates, I could not detect any large differences like this. The "profile" of the sound in digital versions was the same to me. Gary however commented that violin, etc. sounded very different in digital versions as if it was a different instrument/orchestra. I was too deaf to hear that :).
 
Is it your experience Peter that completely different but high-end turntable systems sound similar in character, tonality and presentation?
 
Is it your experience Peter that completely different but high-end turntable systems sound similar in character, tonality and presentation?

No, Amir, it is not. There are just too many differences between cartridges, tonearms, cables, turntables and phono stages. They all sound different. Now if it is all of high quality, then it can be quite difficult to identify specific artifacts, distortions, or colorations. Also, the better the combination, the more resolution it has, or the greater the information it is able to extract from the vinyl grooves, amplify it and pass it along to the pre amp. My particular priorities are for maximum information retrieval, no obvious colorations, and an overall believable or natural presentation. If the turntable isolates the record from vibrations and rotates consistently and accurately, and there are no obvious issues with the rest of the chain, than there are many combinations that will meet my requirements.

Having said that, no component in the analog chain is perfect, and very it much depends upon the skill with which it was set up to maximize its potential. I have two cartridges, for example, and they each sound different. I have an idea of which one is slightly more accurate at reproducing the information in the grooves, but this is different from which one I prefer at any given time and which one I think sounds more real. I like them both and use them both.

Having written that, I do think that all of the high level, and properly set up, analog front ends that I have heard, do sound similar in the sense that they sound distinctly different from the vast majority of digital front ends that I have heard, and this includes direct comparisons between the two in the same system. The only exception to this, in my experience, has been my recent auditions with dCS DACs. They do not seem to have the digital artifacts that I always hear from digital and the NADAC playing only quad DSD. PCM on the NADAC sounded like typical digital to me. The Vivaldi, Rossini, and NADAC with quad DSD sounded distinctly more natural, more like real music, and more like analog than other digital sources that I have heard.

I ask about the two analog sources, because I think I read that one might have been vinyl rips from Bruce Brown's SME 30 turntable, SME arm, Pass phono?, and Koetsu cartridge, which if true, may be the closest I ever read about a comparison between an SME and Steve's incredible TechDAS AF1 turntable. Of course, this assumes that the vinyl rips from each analog source are played back through an absolutely transparent digital source and system. This must not have been the case if he is upgrading his ADC.

One other thing I just considered is this: Each analog front end is a combination that the owner has put together and set up to satisfy his sonic priorities in his particular system and room context. As such, if the signal is recorded after it leaves the phono stage, the result, even if captured and replayed completely transparently, for the sake of argument, is likely going to sound different if it is then amplified and played back through a different system and room in a new context. So what you heard is quite obviously not representative of what the owners of the two analog front ends hear when they listen to their systems in their rooms. I think this is a fairly trivial but very important point.
 
Phillip was quick to mention when Bruce was involved in some capture and did not refer to his setup on that turntable comparison. So my default position sans either one of them chiming in is that it was not Bruce's setup. If it is and I talked it down in favor of Steve's Air Force One, then I have walked into a mess I created. :)
 
How generous it was of Philip to travel up and given the demonstration. Kudos to him.

Amir - would you say the Nadac was well received among the audiophiles present and in the context of the fairly modest system it was played through?
 

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