5.1+ Processors with Best DACs/Preamps?

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No, my budget is hardly in the DCS or upper MSB brand range of DACs, especially since the I need to be looking at an "all in one" MCH DAC/preamp processor. But my budget is well above that of AVRs and I've seen some surround sound posts in this section of the forum, so I'll assume in friendly territory.

For the 5.3 system I want to build, my plan was to have JRiver feed Blu Ray disc audio to this MCH DAC via USB. https://www.oktoresearch.com/dac8pro.htm
https://www.stereophile.com/content/okto-research-dac8-pro-da-processor

But like most DACs, the Okto’s balanced outputs only deliver ~ 4.1 volts, which KR found insufficient to drive his power amps (Benchmark AHB2, NAD C298) with DIRAC Live 3 enabled. Thus, all balanced outputs of this processor would need to supply a minimum of 10 volts/channel to offset DIRAC gain losses of almost 20db https://www.sowter.co.uk/decibels.php , as KR mentioned in his review of the Topping Pre90. https://www.stereophile.com/content/topping-pre90-line-preamplifier

Unfortunately, there are no 8-channel preamps available, either from audiophile or pro audio brands. KR's fix was to buy three Topping preamps, which as shown in Fig. 3 its balanced outputs deliver very low distortion, and which virtually continues decreasing well beyond 10 volts. https://www.stereophile.com/content/topping-pre90-line-preamplifier-measurements

But stacking three Pre90 preamps doesn't seem the most elegant solution, and KR mentioned that struggling with the Pre90's crappy remote is no fun.

So unless I find a reputable builder to affordably custom design a MCH preamp (any recommendations??), the only alternative would be a MCH processor with a DAC section at least as good, but ideally far better than the Okto, and with all balanced outputs delivering at least 10 or 12 volts/channel.

If yes, how likely could its own master volume/mute remote control allow reducing all balanced outputs to ~ 5 volts or less without any loss of resolution and perceptible dynamic range?

If yes, which model (s) would also have a pair of high quality potentiometers for selectively setting levels of the front and rear/side speakers-like the ones John Curl used for designing the JC-2 preamp
https://www.partsconnexion.com/tkd-potentiomters.html , which JA raved about going head to head against his Levinson 380S? https://www.stereophile.com/solidpreamps/308para/index.html See p. 10-11. https://parasound.com/pdfs/JC2Manual.pdf

Theta Digital are the only MCH processors I’m aware of which might have DAC sections at least equaling the Okto DAC 8 Pro, though I doubt its preamp performance would match that of the Parasound JC-2.

Please suggest brands/models.

Ideally, such processors would also be customizable, allowing omission of video and unbalanced connectivity, thereby minimizing final cost.
 

russtafarian

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No, my budget is hardly in the DCS or upper MSB brand range of DACs, especially since the I need to be looking at an "all in one" MCH DAC/preamp processor. But my budget is well above that of AVRs and I've seen some surround sound posts in this section of the forum, so I'll assume in friendly territory.

For the 5.3 system I want to build, my plan was to have JRiver feed Blu Ray disc audio to this MCH DAC via USB. https://www.oktoresearch.com/dac8pro.htm
https://www.stereophile.com/content/okto-research-dac8-pro-da-processor

But like most DACs, the Okto’s balanced outputs only deliver ~ 4.1 volts, which KR found insufficient to drive his power amps (Benchmark AHB2, NAD C298) with DIRAC Live 3 enabled. Thus, all balanced outputs of this processor would need to supply a minimum of 10 volts/channel to offset DIRAC gain losses of almost 20db https://www.sowter.co.uk/decibels.php , as KR mentioned in his review of the Topping Pre90. https://www.stereophile.com/content/topping-pre90-line-preamplifier

Unfortunately, there are no 8-channel preamps available, either from audiophile or pro audio brands. KR's fix was to buy three Topping preamps, which as shown in Fig. 3 its balanced outputs deliver very low distortion, and which virtually continues decreasing well beyond 10 volts. https://www.stereophile.com/content/topping-pre90-line-preamplifier-measurements

But stacking three Pre90 preamps doesn't seem the most elegant solution, and KR mentioned that struggling with the Pre90's crappy remote is no fun.

So unless I find a reputable builder to affordably custom design a MCH preamp (any recommendations??), the only alternative would be a MCH processor with a DAC section at least as good, but ideally far better than the Okto, and with all balanced outputs delivering at least 10 or 12 volts/channel.

If yes, how likely could its own master volume/mute remote control allow reducing all balanced outputs to ~ 5 volts or less without any loss of resolution and perceptible dynamic range?

If yes, which model (s) would also have a pair of high quality potentiometers for selectively setting levels of the front and rear/side speakers-like the ones John Curl used for designing the JC-2 preamp
https://www.partsconnexion.com/tkd-potentiomters.html , which JA raved about going head to head against his Levinson 380S? https://www.stereophile.com/solidpreamps/308para/index.html See p. 10-11. https://parasound.com/pdfs/JC2Manual.pdf

Theta Digital are the only MCH processors I’m aware of which might have DAC sections at least equaling the Okto DAC 8 Pro, though I doubt its preamp performance would match that of the Parasound JC-2.

Please suggest brands/models.

Ideally, such processors would also be customizable, allowing omission of video and unbalanced connectivity, thereby minimizing final cost.

Unfortunately, the high-end home audio industry has abandoned those of us who enjoy multi-channel audio. You will probably have to turn to the post-production studio market to find what you're looking for. Here are examples of 5.1/7.1 monitor controllers.

SPL SMC 7.1 Surround Controller Black - Vintage King

Heritage Audio RAM System 5000 5.1 Monitoring System - Vintage King

Drawmer MC7.1 Controller - Vintage King

Coleman Audio SR7.1 MKII Suround VU Meter System - Vintage King

Not exactly audio jewelry, but one of these controllers can be combined with a multi-channel DAC or other source to provide all the voltage drive your amps need.

My recently rebooted multi-channel system is a Mac Mini M2 and Topping DM7 DAC. Some of the Atmos 5.1.2 mixes on Apple Music sound pretty cool!

Russ
 

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10v to drive amps?
 

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the best multi-channel dac/preamp/dsp room correction is the Trinnov Altitude 16. it is Roon ready so multi-channel streaming can be done with just an Ethernet cable and network connection. i own one. it's the real deal.

it's completely software based so no obsolescence ever. no chip sets to be made not relevant. the best support and customer loyalty in the multi-channel market.

 
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My prior processor was a Bryston SP3. It is truly one of the best sounding processors but it does no room correction and only passes through video. In addition, it does not support Dolby Atmos.

I recently moved to a Lyngdorf MP-60 2.1 and it not only sounds better than the Bryston but it supports all the current codes. Its room correction software, Room Perfect, is terrific. It produces an immersive sound field better than I thought possible in my room.
 
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