Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[Carlos269]

I am not sure if my record is better, but let's have a fun.

Carlos269- If you have a better sounding video of this track, please post it, I would love to hear it:​

Pay very close attention at the playback of the two videos. Your video sounds like you are listening to the recording being played back over the radio, while my video sounds like you are listening to them performing the song live. My video sounds more “real” and the precision, resolution, inner detail, and the separation of the individual instruments and vocals is undeniable on my video while your video sounds like you are listening to a recording. Which video do you find more exciting & enjoyable to listen to? For me, that’s obvious.

 

[Rexp]

Pay very close attention at the playback of the two videos. Your video sounds like you are listening to the recording being played back over the radio, while my video sounds like you are listening to them performing the song live. My video sounds more “real” and the precision, resolution, inner detail, and the separation of the individual instruments and vocals is undeniable on my video while your video sounds like you are listening to a recording. Which video do you find more exciting & enjoyable to listen to? For me, that’s obvious.

Have you got your left and right channels the wrong way around?

 

[hopkins]

I don't know where you said that or if you did. This is the tedium of forum life. Please note the if-then structure of the conditional sentence I wrote. "If modeling your system based on what you hear from a youTube video gives you the sound you prefer, then good for you on having a reference." Presumably something you wrote somewhere led me to speculate, but I wouldn't worry about it.



Perhaps. You tube videos are for me a way to communicate a representation of how a piece of music sounds through my system. I won't post a video if I think it does not represent that sound reasonably well, knowing that the video does not sound identical to what I hear in-room.

As regards a you tube video posted by another, if it is a system video recorded through a phone I may very well have an interest either for the music or the sound or for other reasons. Apparently, to me, how I use you tube videos is different from how you use them. I kinda think we have different views on the use and value of such videos and I think that was clear from the outset of this thread about phone videos.

I was an audiophile before 2005 when youtube started. Maybe that explains it.

Your underlying assumption is that digital (in whatever form - YouTube, CD, streaming services...) is inferior and unable to sound "live". Maybe. If it is the case, then why do you bother with system videos (mic->ADC->DAC) ?

But to believe that people don't have experience of live music and are unable to recognize how close a system gets to that experience is simply BS. You are not special, and you should not make assumptions about peoples' experience outside of hifi.

Now let's move on, the discussion is sterile.

 

[hopkins]

... my video sounds like you are listening to them performing the song live. My video sounds more “real” and the precision, resolution, inner detail, and the separation of the individual instruments and vocals is undeniable on my video...

What I hear in that video of yours (not saying it is the case in all of your videos) is bloated bass and recessed vocals (among other things).

 

[Carlos269]

Have you got your left and right channels the wrong way around?

The channels are assigned correct to the Left and Right stereo channels. Confirmed with Stereophile Test CD # 2!

 

[Carlos269]

What I hear in that video of yours (not saying it is the case in all of your videos) is bloated bass and recessed vocals (among other things).

I will re-recorded with the “Wood Edition” settings when I get a chance. I’m starting to get the picture that many of you like the sound that sounds like an old man’s system with a prominent midrange and dry presentation. I have never liked that old fashion sound that many obviously do. I listen to Deep House music, Hardcore Punk, Speedcore, Industrial Music, Big Beat and Break Beat techno music, ThrashCore, New Wave, Drum n Bass, Dub, Lo-Fi, Grindcore, Dubstep, Leftfield, Hard House, Trip Hop, Jungle, Hardstyle, Darkwave, Grunge, Gabber, Speed Metal, Freestyle, Lounge, Crust, Goa-Trance, Deep Techno, Power Violence, Dark Electro, Crossover Thrash and other musical genres and styles. I don’t sit around and listen to Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, 50’s jazz and classical music all day. My system must perform well under extreme conditions, and not only in the comfort of the slow acoustic sounds for the geriatric unit.

 

[Al M.]

I would say my reference is my very subjective perception of live acoustic music.

Good qualifier. I have experienced live concerts together with others who sat next to me, and sometimes we experienced the sound differently.

And frankly, from some of the videos posted here I don't quite understand how the system owner would have modeled his sound after unamplified live music. But then, videos are just videos I guess.

 

[PeterA]

I will re-recorded with the “Wood Edition” settings when I get a chance. I’m starting to get the picture that many of you like the sound that sounds like an old man’s system with a prominent midrange and dry presentation. I have never liked that old fashion sound that many obviously do. I listen to Deep House music, Hardcore Punk, Speedcore, Industrial Music, Big Beat and Big Break techno music, ThrashCore, New Wave, Drum n Bass, Dub, Lo-Fi, Grindcore, Dubstep, Leftfield, Hard House, Trip Hop, Jungle, Hardstyle, Darkwave, Grunge, Gabber, Speed Metal, Freestyle, Lounge, Crust, Goa-Trance, Deep Techno, Power Violence, Dark Electro, Crossover Thrash and other musical genres and styles. I don’t sit around and listen to Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, 50’s jazz and classical music all day. My system must perform well under extreme conditions, and not only in the comfort of slow acoustic sounds for the geriatric unit.

This helps to explain the bass emphasis and the character of your treble that I hear from your videos. It is a specific type of sound suited to your preferred music and tastes.

 

[Carlos269]

This helps to explain the bass emphasis and the character of your treble that I hear from your videos. It is a specific type of sound suited to your preferred music and tastes.

I have mentioned this a number of times before. I listen to a very eclectic mixture of music every time that I listen. I like everything that is not mainstream.

 

[PeterA]

I would say my reference is my very subjective perception of live acoustic music.

Fransisco, is not all perception subjective? And is your perception any more subjective than anyone else's? Why qualify your perception with "very" and "subjective"?

People can listen to the same live performance and perceive it differently. All perceptions are still subjective and one is not any more subjective than another.

 

[morricab]

Pay very close attention at the playback of the two videos. Your video sounds like you are listening to the recording being played back over the radio, while my video sounds like you are listening to them performing the song live. My video sounds more “real” and the precision, resolution, inner detail, and the separation of the individual instruments and vocals is undeniable on my video while your video sounds like you are listening to a recording. Which video do you find more exciting & enjoyable to listen to? For me, that’s obvious.

Carlos, you demonstrated that you can make your WAAR system sound similar to the original recording...why do you think this travesty sounds better? You have again stripped out the voice and power region.

 

[morricab]

I will re-recorded with the “Wood Edition” settings when I get a chance. I’m starting to get the picture that many of you like the sound that sounds like an old man’s system with a prominent midrange and dry presentation. I have never liked that old fashion sound that many obviously do. I listen to Deep House music, Hardcore Punk, Speedcore, Industrial Music, Big Beat and Break Beat techno music, ThrashCore, New Wave, Drum n Bass, Dub, Lo-Fi, Grindcore, Dubstep, Leftfield, Hard House, Trip Hop, Jungle, Hardstyle, Darkwave, Grunge, Gabber, Speed Metal, Freestyle, Lounge, Crust, Goa-Trance, Deep Techno, Power Violence, Dark Electro, Crossover Thrash and other musical genres and styles. I don’t sit around and listen to Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, 50’s jazz and classical music all day. My system must perform well under extreme conditions, and not only in the comfort of the slow acoustic sounds for the geriatric unit.

Well, that kind of explains the boom and sizzle you have dialed into your system. Maybe its fine for the kinds of music you listed. It's not really fine for Shostakovich, or Itzhak...

 

[RCanelas]

Quick and dirty contribution on the Shostakovich 8th by Haitnik.

 

[Carlos269]

Carlos, you demonstrated that you can make your WAAR system sound similar to the original recording...why do you think this travesty sounds better? You have again stripped out the voice and power region.

Brad, I listen to both videos, Wavetouch’s and mine, over and over and simply prefer the sound of my video. It’s as simple as that. As I said, I concede that Wavetouch’s sounds like a recording. To me, mine sounds more like real music. I play guitar, bass, and quickly learning how to program a drum machine. I don’t want my reference system to sound like I’m listening to a recording. I want my reference system to make sound come alive and that is exactly like it sounds like. If you enjoy listening to recordings that’s great….. I enjoy listening to music… that’s all.

 

[morricab]

Brad, I listen to both videos, Wavetouch’s abd mine, over and over and simple prefer the sound of my video. It’s as simple as that. As I said, I concede that Wavetouch’s sounds like a recording. To me, mine sounds more like real music. I play guitar, bass, and quickly learning how to program a drum machine. I don’t want my reference system to sound like I’m listening to a recording. I want my reference system to make sound come alive and that is exactly like it sounds like. If you enjoy listening to recordings that’s great….. I enjoy listening to music… that’s all.

Well, I didn't say Wavetouch's was good...it was as you described, it sounds like it is coming from a small radio.

 

[hopkins]

My system must perform well under extreme conditions, and not only in the comfort of the slow acoustic sounds for the geriatric unit.

LOL, the song you chose to record, and that I was commenting on, is hardly "extreme". You mentioned it sounds "live", as opposed to "sound coming out of a radio". Put aside the bass and the vocals, I don't see how any of it sounds "live", but maybe that is the feeling you get in the comfort of your home. It does not translate in the video.

 

[Carlos269]

LOL, the song you chose to record, and that I was commenting on, is hardly "extreme". You mentioned it sounds "live", as opposed to "sound coming out of a radio". Put aside the bass and the vocals, I don't see how any of it sounds "live", but maybe that is the feeling you get in the comfort of your home. It does not translate in the video.

Of course none of the videos I posted are of extreme music. What would be the value of posting music for comparison that no one here is familiar with? Come on use your head.

 

[Rexp]

I'm not sure being too negative about someone's video is helpful, best just to keep one's thoughts to oneself or else no one will dare post. Personally I only comment negatively about music choice if I don't feel it shows what a system can do.

 

[Carlos269]

I'm not sure being too negative about someone's video is helpful, best just to keep one's thoughts to oneself or else no one will dare post. Personally I only comment negatively about music choice if I don't feel it shows what a system can do.

If we are going to powder-puff our commentary then what’s the point. I rather hear the truth than pretend that everything is okay. I know that there is no one else like me here and I’m okay with that, actually I’m glad and proud of it. Your music and the sound of your stereo are a very personal thing and if you are happy so be it. Why be something that you’re not? You shouldn’t strive too hard to please others. Demonstrate confidence and conviction because in the world only the strong survive and thrive.

Case in point, Brad told me my violin reproduction lacked wood, and you know what? Brad was right! A button push and two knobs turned and guess what Brad and everyone else had their wood. I personally didn’t miss the wood and I remain fine listening without it, but if it wasn’t for the exposure and the commentary I might not have experimented with adding wood emphasis to the sound. That’s kind of the whole point of the forum, it’s to learn from others……and to teach those who need it and are willing to listen.

 

[hopkins]

I'm not sure being too negative about someone's video is helpful, best just to keep one's thoughts to oneself or else no one will dare post. Personally I only comment negatively about music choice if I don't feel it shows what a system can do.

I don't think I was being negative pointing out that the bass is bloated when comparing to the recording - it is just a fact. It is normal that people comment, what is not normal is when the author simply can't handle it