JVC Ql 10 and Sony tts 8000 have damped platters - EMT 950 light plastic platter. 33 and 45 rpm ain’t gonna rattle if at all - less moving parts too. You’re getting confused with idlers (even then good designs minimise rumble). Belts do damp vibration but a motor for a belt drive is usually going at say 250rpm - we have both the motor and the platter as separate rotating moving parts. Of course as you go higher up with either drive the way of dealing with the various ‘challenges’ improve. It’s essentially implementation and choice of compromise. My Townshend has a very high torque Berger Lahrs motor - my Amazon has very quiet DC affair using battery power. As I age I have become more timing sensitive hence the draw of the DD.Yep, nothing like a bellend for a platter attached directly to a motor to kill those pesky Belt drive tables ..
Not to worry i do have a couple DD myself so do understand the love hate between them all...
Can a Technics SL-1200G challenge the state of the art?
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I’m sorry it (Technics SL-1200G) cannot challenge a very good turntable let alone the state of the art. I really wanted to believe new 1200G to be a great turntable but it isn’t in my opinion. I highly doubt if it’s better than old 1200. SL-1000R isn’t great either in my book. Don’t let the market hype catch you. Sorry.
Yes
Can be very good though. Reminds me of the Denon DL103r. Or a souped up hot hatchback - you can take it so far
Not S.O.T,A , but they did sell 3million & counting
SL1200G2 out later this year
SL1200G2 out later this year
I purchased an SL-1000R after demoing a number of tables/arms in the sub-$100K range and found it's hard to beat among the many tables I tried.
I don't know why you don't like it, but I'd definitely disagree.
I heard SL-1000 at audio shows, not impressed. I also have SL-1000. It is a good turntable but I prefer well designed and built belt drives. YMMV.
That’s a fair point. ‘Cogging’ was never as bad as some claimed - it was just an issue with the cheap decks. Speed stability to me and the absence of stylus drag affecting speed is more important to me - I personally have a high torque motor on one belt drive it’s superb but i terms of engineering it ultimately simply changes the cogging resonance going down the belt which in turn acts as a slipper clutch - ie 300rpm vibration down a belt vs at 33rpm. Your choice of compromises
I agree, but in my system SL-1000R has a better sound than my VPI Classic 3....
The Technics 1200g is priced fairly and performs very well vs its main competition. But If I had the urge to go more state of the vinyl playback art, I’d spend more and get something else entirely. If i wanted a broadcast type table that could run all day Id probably look towards an EMT or something instead.
It’s worth pointing out that there are schools of turntable design that do not support the idea that more mass is always better. Linn has been making the LP-12 for 50 years, and it is definitely not a high mass turntable. More recently, Rega’s no holds barred Naiad turntable, which costs $35K pounds, is a very low mass design made with state of the art materials used in the aerospace industry.
www.rega.co.uk
The Rega Naiad Turntable – a product unlike any other
A product unlike any other, created to push Rega’s philosophies to the extreme and prove beyond doubt that our lifelong mantra of ultra-light weight, high rigidity plinths and the use of key materials in key areas are paramount in constructing any serious performance turntable.
www.rega.co.uk
I have mixed felings regarding the SL 1200G. Shortcomings which are unaceptable in a €4500 TT. These are, poor W&F, poor VTA, short spindle when having the tonearm in a horizontal position. I have read that the parts were all designed and manufactured for this TT- not the case.
This makes no sense.
How does a direct drive table have poor W&F?
Poor VTA? The VTA is adjustable, how is it "poor?"
I would advise you to totally disregard / ignore his opinion. IMHO, he is one of several WBF posters that has the "audio god" complex.
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Sorry for the lack of response , i had lost track of the thread until now ..!
Large /Small Format setups is not all about -3db down point , its size , dynamic expression and percussive energy of the system .
Having an 8” inch woofer in a 3way system with a 1” dome , even with subs will still be a small format system vs a large 4 way horn or 4 tower linesource for eg which would be a large format system..
Once you begin to modify the table its no longer a Technics Table IMO no way to comment on sound unheard.
Stock i stand behind my original statements..
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