California Audio Show 2011

Got back from the CAS this afternoon.

Sorry I missed the Acapella speaker, just didn't wander into the right spot I guess, I did wish there were more horn loaded and planar speakers there.

I enjoyed the show a lot, much more than I thought I would. It was just the right size for a nice 5 hours of hearing most of the rooms of interest. After 5 hours, my listeners were shot and I went home, don't think I could properly listen to stuff after that.

Also, my stars were blessed at my timing, I seemed to get into each room and got my own records and single vinyl CD played wherever I wanted to. I didn't think I would be able to actually play my own discs/ records except by fluke, but the combination of lower crowds when I was in the rooms worked to my advantage.

Agree with much of Steve's observations.

Best Sound: Easily Wilson MaxIII(?) and Spectral amplifiers playing vinyl with Aesthetix pre-amplification chain. Speakers at least 24 feet apart with lots of room to breath, which made them sound very monitor-like in the best sense of the word. BIG and CLEAR, very impressive. Constantine Soo is a master of sources, especially digital, and I think it was Clement Perry wandering around there, too, but I am not sure.

Honorable mention: all the other biggies on the first floor. MBL (Big White) system, not that utterly impressed for some reason, especially considering the size, cost and weight, but majestic nontheless.

Heard three Magico systems with the Q3, Q5 and mini. The larger Magicos seem to have something funky going on in the lower midrange transition, an observation I had with the big M series wooden speaker when hearing it some months ago, but the Magicos present a system I could live with nicely if I were to transition to all-in-one box speakers. The greatest criticism of Magicos is a bit of visceral lack, possibly to enhance the imaging prowess.

The Magico systems all sounded great, though as Steve observed, the Q3 seemed somewhat fraught in its very large (30x40ft) room.

A system that amazed although it was not that utterly high cost were the Dartzeel/Mini Evolution. This small system was fabulous for a system of ANY size and cost. Small ceramic woofers and square foil tweeter. Of course, cost is relative, this is not a college dorm system. I also agree with Steve that these sounded better than the mighty Magico Mini.

Another fine to great sounding system was the MSB (??)/Vivid. The Vivid two way was an astoundingly good speaker with the MSB digital/solid state electronics. It made me want to listen to the big, curly cue, soft swirl Vivid speaker, and the MSB(?) electronics sounded great.

I liked the Sony flagship speaker a lot, it required a couple of moments to sink into the sound, but it had what I would call a deep, regal sound reminiscent of the classic speakers of yore, like a vastly upgraded Advent (that's a compliment, not a suggestion of limitations).

Another speaker of note was a fine speaker in the Voodoo cable room, also a ceramic woofer/foil tweeter large speaker sounding very smooth and lovely indeed with tubes and Joni Mitchell. I guess it is a prototype.

I am going to have to bite my tongue and eat my words for teasing Dan D'Agostino about the appearance of his Momentum amplifier. Why does this thing not photograph well? Dan needs to get Alon Wolf to photograph his amp.

The Momentum was easily the most elegant and beautiful device at the show. I guess D'Agostino is an Italian name, and Dan must have the Italian flair for world class design, although it must be some kind of anomaly that it isn't photogenic.

How did it sound? Well, it was partnered with the dreaded Wilson Sasha, a Sophia variant (?) and a speaker I have never liked and probably never will. I heard four variations of the Sasha/Sophia at this show, with tubes, vinyl, solid state, digital, and didn't like any of them at all. I wince when I see it in the demo rooms. I don't know why, the sound just rubs me the wrong way. I guess if you go Wilson, go big or don't go at all.

I would like to hear the D'Agostino Momentum amp someday with a different speaker.

Biggest surprise: Not a single system of whatever cost had what I would call an adequate foundation to the sound. Audiophiles seem to persist in an "imaging uber alles" perspective with a lot of the usual close-miked female vocal and solo instrument stuff that appeals to the viagra crowd. I scattered a few gomers in one room by playing the somewhat dysphonic Weather Report cut "Mr. Gone."

There is a whole world of music missing in the lower octaves and lower/midrange transition in a lot of audiophile systems. I am grateful to this board for stirring me a bit from my bass lethargy to vastly improve my own bass system. The only system at the show to have something approaching real foundation was the "Big White" MBL system, but it had a wooly hump in the lower midrange somewhere.
The big MBL system got the bass guitar somewhere in the right neighborhood, whereas bass guitars on any of the other systems were shadows of varying substance.

Did the solid state stuff make want to give up my tubes? Not a chance, but the MSB/Dartzeel/Spectral stuff could give me tube amnesia.

Anything to stimulate Audiophilia Nervosa with my own system? Nope, I love my system. However, my system is based on my own solipsistic perversity, so that is OK, because is geared to my taste! Maybe I am a crippled bass-head now or something, but i absolutely crave that lower foundation and a gorgeous lower midrange.
 
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Caught that, Steve. I guess I should say small Wilsons with pyramid dome on rectangle speakers.
 
That which sucked not, sucked not. That which sucked, sucked usually some, but not mightily. Overall, nothing atrocious, even digital and solid state, surprisingly often better than some of the tube stuff.

I don't want to get into the slinging more than that, I have done enough, and everybody already knows that shows are not fair aribiters of virtue or vice in all instances.

One more thing, surprisingly large number of women, not just the cute commodity ones enticing the old guys into buying. Maybe they were just wives trying to keep their husbands from spending money, but I can't recall so many women at an audio show. One female critic taking notes in the Magico Q5 room.

Another honorable mention would be the Audio Note room with the OTO integrated. Not budget, but very nice for a moderate size room type system.
 
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Haven't yet posted any of my impressions, but having read yours, Carl, I thought I'd use your post as a springboard. I hope you don't mind.

Best Sound: Easily Wilson MaxIII(?) and Spectral amplifiers playing vinyl with Aesthetix pre-amplification chain. Speakers at least 24 feet apart with lots of room to breath, which made them sound very monitor-like in the best sense of the word. BIG and CLEAR, very impressive. Constantine Soo is a master of sources, especially digital, and I think it was Clement Perry wandering around there, too, but I am not sure.
Best sound, by far. Completely agree. As Steve had previously posted, Keith Johnson helped to set up the room but it was Hugh who did the major lifting here, e.g., Hugh told me he spent 4 hours just getting the speakers into the best position.

Analog system: Clearaudio Innovation Wood turntable, with the Graham Phantom II Supreme tonearm, and the Benz Micro LP-S cartridge, all resting atop the Everest turntable stand. Also being used, depending on the LP (of course), were the Outer Limit Peripheral Ring Clamp and the Statement Clamp. Oh, and as Carl mentioned, the Aesthetix IO Eclipse phono stage.

Digital system: All Spectral: DMC 30SS Series 2 Reference Preamp, DMC 360 Series 2 Reference Amps and SDR-4000SL Reference CD Processor.

Heard three Magico systems with the Q3, Q5 and mini. The larger Magicos seem to have something funky going on in the lower midrange transition, an observation I had with the big M series wooden speaker when hearing it some months ago, but the Magicos present a system I could live with nicely if I were to transition to all-in-one box speakers. The greatest criticism of Magicos is a bit of visceral lack, possibly to enhance the imaging prowess.
Interesting observation about the Q5s, Carl. Someone whose opinion I greatly respect (hint: he was in the large room next door) agreed with your observation about the visceral lack; I think he phrased it that they just sounded dead, evoking no emotional response. FWIW, I enjoyed the sound, although I found them lacking in VLF. Upon reflection, maybe I was enjoying the source material more so than the speakers themselves. They were playing a track by the California Guitar Trio, whose music I really enjoy. Source components included 4 different computer servers and 4 different DACS, well really 3, since they had 2 Pacific Microsonics (which, of course, are used solely for PCM). The other two DACS, which were used for DSD, were the EMM DAC8 and a prototype Merging Technologies DAC (oh, and, of course, the Sonoma DAW for 2 channel DSD).

The Magico systems all sounded great, though as Steve observed, the Q3 seemed somewhat fraught in its very large (30x40ft) room.
Definitely. Even when sourced by the top of the line Audio Research preamp and monos, they could not adequately pressurize the room.

A system that amazed although it was not that utterly high cost were the Dartzeel/Mini Evolution. This small system was fabulous for a system of ANY size and cost. Small ceramic woofers and square foil tweeter. Of course, cost is relative, this is not a college dorm system. I also agree with Steve that these sounded better than the mighty Magico Mini.
Yup.

Another fine to great sounding system was the MSB (??)/Vincent. The Vincent two way was an astoundingly good speaker with the MSB digital/solid state electronics. It made me want to listen to the big, curly cue, soft swirl Vincent speaker, and the MSB(?) electronics sounded great.
Speakers were the Vivids, I think the 1.5 model. Sound was excellent. Philip O'Hanlon's room, right next door, had the Vivid B1 speakers, also excellent sounding. I'm with you, Carl, I'd love to hear the Vivid G1GIYA speakers.

I liked the Sony flagship speaker a lot, it required a couple of moments to sink into the sound, but it had what I would call a deep, regal sound reminiscent of the classic speakers of yore, like a vastly upgraded Advent (that's a compliment, not a suggestion of limitations).
I was intrigued by the Sonys as well. I'd like to hear them in a much larger room to really see their capability.

Another speaker of note was a fine speaker in the Voodoo cable room, also a ceramic woofer/foil tweeter large speaker sounding very smooth and lovely indeed with tubes and Joni Mitchell. I guess it is a prototype.
Kudos to you for even entering that room. I couldn't bring myself to enter a room with such a title.

Biggest surprise: Not a single system of whatever cost had what I would call an adequate foundation to the sound. Audiophiles seem to persist in an "imaging uber alles" perspective with a lot of the usual close-miked female vocal and solo instrument stuff that appeals to the viagra crowd. I scattered a few gomers in one room by playing the somewhat dysphonic Weather Report cut "Mr. Gone."
Funny (or maybe not so) that you mention this. As we were leaving Steve & I were discussing this very same point. We heard basically the same music in almost every room, as if the audiophile world only caters to jazz and acoustic jazz at that. I don't know if I'll be able to listen to Waltz For Debbie, Ella or Louie for another year. I had promised Steve that when we got back to my house after the show I'd demo my system for him since I had recently made some significant changes. I played 1 jazz track and then promised him I wouldn't play any more.

There is a whole world of music missing in the lower octaves and lower/midrange transition in a lot of audiophile systems. I am grateful to this board for stirring me a bit from my bass lethargy to vastly improve my own bass system.
Having just integrated 2 Seaton Submersives into my system, I know exactly how you feel.
 
Oh, a couple more observations.

Sorry I missed the Acapella speaker, just didn't wander into the right spot I guess, I did wish there were more horn loaded and planar speakers there.
I really liked the Acapella High Violoncello II speakers, although at MSRP of $80K, well...

Honorable mention: all the other biggies on the first floor. MBL (Big White) system, not that utterly impressed for some reason, especially considering the size, cost and weight, but majestic nontheless.
The MBL system: 101E Mk II Speakers [$70,500], 9011 Monoblocks [$106K/pr], 6010 Preamp [$26K], 1611 aSync USB DAC [$27K], and the 1621 Transport [$27K]. For the same money one could purchase the entire analog and digital set up used by Hugh and Music Lovers and still have a heck of lot of $$$ left over to buy content. (Oh, BTW, the MBL top of the line 101 Extreme speakers are only $260K/pr.)
 
Hi

INteresting reports:

Confirmed something I have been noticing from the past 5~7 years... The better SS and tubes gears (mostly high power tubes, IMO) are converging in term of realism.the gap is narowing... Even the staunchest tubophiles cannot fail to recognize how good SS are ...

Now only are people noticing the absolutely superb ACapella, I have written about them a few times, Price is often horrendous (Top of the Line is a mere $500,000 or more ) but sound is always superb with the tweeter in a league of its own ... Full range in most cases and great sensitivity ...

The Evolution Acoustic speakers seem to be the real deal. I am most interested to audition the MM3 or the MM1 (I know, I know, one might as well jump to the MM3, Evolution, you know :)...

So are the Magico.. The lack of bass power can be made up with adequate subwoofing, the abysmally low sensitivity is disapointing though seems to reuqire arc-welder. On my list for a serious audition regardless.

Thanks guys for your thoughts .. No news on Rockport? and what is the deal with Amarra and what is Amarra Vinyl?
 
Hi

INteresting reports:

Confirmed something I have been noticing from the past 5~7 years... The better SS and tubes gears (mostly high power tubes, IMO) are converging in term of realism.the gap is narowing... Even the staunchest tubophiles cannot fail to recognize how good SS are ...

if Audio Research defines "tubes", maybe so.

not sure top of the line Vac, CJ, BAT etc. sounds like SS at all.
 
Other highlights of the show (for me at least) worth auditioning were
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Acapella High Violoncello ll Speakers at $80,000. Sitting in the sweet spot showed these speakers to be perfectly dialed in and as realistic as anything I heard yesterday

Steve,

Although I never listened to any ionic tweeter speaker, some years ago I considered building such a tweeter. I am still fascinated by the idea of a diaphragm without mass, or should I say a speaker without diaphragm?

Did you listen to the High Violoncello II sitting outside the sweet spot?
 

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