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Do Mobile Fidelity Vinyl Re-issues Have a Digital Step in the Process?
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Not sure how much of the above is strictly on topic anymore.
Can the handbags be shunted onto another thread which I’m not following, or preferably put away all together.
Can the handbags be shunted onto another thread which I’m not following, or preferably put away all together.
you want truth? great video with relevance to this thread. i opened a separate thread for it.....here;
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Bernie Grundman tells it like it is----great video---lots to unpack
saw this 2 hour and 25 minute video (it flies by :p ) and felt it needed to be posted. put it on the MoFi thread then Ron suggested it needed it's own thread as it covers lots of subjects. especially 1:17 to 1:27 gets into analog and digital and the effects. speaks strongly to my preference for...
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Also from Speakers Corner ...
a great resource/primer (with most helpful images) on the production process up to the cutting of the lacquer disc i.e. prior to manufacture of vinyl records as such:
pure-analogue.com
a great resource/primer (with most helpful images) on the production process up to the cutting of the lacquer disc i.e. prior to manufacture of vinyl records as such:
pure-analogue | Eine Vinylschallplatte entsteht
pure-analogue.com
Hello - I have a YouTube channel where I've covered many aspects of this topic along with discussing other labels such as Speakers Corner and am releasing a multi-part interview with Chad Kassem from my visit to Salina, KS last week.
David Bianco - The Sound of Safe and Sound Texas
David Bianco - The Sound of Safe and Sound Texas
I think this may be a new lawsuit out of Illinois:
Mobile Fidelity, Audiophile Music Direct class action alleges companies falsely advertised vinyl records as genuine analog recordings
Mobile Fidelity, Audiophile Music Direct class action alleges companies falsely advertised vinyl records as genuine analog recordings
It would appear that Mobile Fidelity's (MoFi) GAIN 2 Technology is 20th-century and not 21st-century tech. As far back as 1998 with MoFi's release of Tom Petty's Full Full Moon Fever. Mobile Fidelity Ultradisc II/GAIN 2 UDCD 735, it would appear that the use of Sony's DSD was indeed a thing almost a quarter of a century ago
Here is the link to my latest update where you can read more. I link to the Free Library's archive of the Sensible Sound where the original article was published in their January 1, 1999 issue.
The MoFi Predicament - Dagogo
Here is the link to my latest update where you can read more. I link to the Free Library's archive of the Sensible Sound where the original article was published in their January 1, 1999 issue.
The MoFi Predicament - Dagogo
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Jonathan Valin states within the last paragraph in the Guest Editorial section of the October 2022 issue of TAS :
"My bottom line is this: After MoFi spent decades keeping the LP alive and kicking - releasing many, many sonic triumphs over that span (including several of the One Steps) - it would be worse than ungrateful of audiophiles not to show some charity here."
"worse than ungrateful of audiophiles" - Quite the take, ingratitude for some perceived largesse on the part of MoFi. That along with Harley's Proof is in the Pudding article and the Jim Davis interview , both of which are also in the October issue, make light note of the lack of transparency and make every effort to sweep it aside by focusing on the perceived production benefits. And, no mention of the pricing issue anywhere; not really a surprise.
"My bottom line is this: After MoFi spent decades keeping the LP alive and kicking - releasing many, many sonic triumphs over that span (including several of the One Steps) - it would be worse than ungrateful of audiophiles not to show some charity here."
"worse than ungrateful of audiophiles" - Quite the take, ingratitude for some perceived largesse on the part of MoFi. That along with Harley's Proof is in the Pudding article and the Jim Davis interview , both of which are also in the October issue, make light note of the lack of transparency and make every effort to sweep it aside by focusing on the perceived production benefits. And, no mention of the pricing issue anywhere; not really a surprise.
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What a cheek! Like they were/are the only record label in existence. It seems TAS are certainly taking “sides’ in this debacle. I guess us audiophiles should be greatful to TAS for keeping high end audio alive too!
I don’t understand why Jonathan attempts to create a balancing equation such that the apparently knowingly misleading statements by Mobile Fidelity (Jonathan: “Indeed, Mobile Fidelity‘s publicity has, I think, deliberately left the impression that everything is accomplished in the analog domain.” “Anyway you look at it, this was not full disclosure.“) somehow are offset because, or should be forgiven because, Mobile Fidelity profited from the business of re-mastering, pressing and selling LPs to consumers through the 1980s to the present day (Jonathan: “MoFi spent decades keeping the LP alive and kicking — releasing many, many sonic triumphs over that span . . . it would be worse than ungrateful of audiophiles not to show some charity here.”). I don’t think this proposed equation nets out to inculpability.
Jonathan appears not to consider that if consumers had known the truth about the digital step, then perhaps Mobile Fidelity would not have been as successful in business for decades selling its records and “keeping the LP alive.” I am not sure Jonathan should encourage Jim Davis to break his arm patting himself on the back for building a business, and even for helping to sustain an industry, based on a misrepresentation.
Is Jonathan suggesting that the end of keeping consumers buying records through the dark days of digital justified the means of the misrepresentation to sell re-issues? Numerous other companies were manufacturing and selling re-issues during the years in which Mobile Fidelity was selling its digital step vinyl records.
I see the misrepresentation issue as completely separate from the issue of “keeping the LP alive,” and as completely separate from the issue of the sound quality of Mobile Fidelity’s digital step vinyl records. I think that the former issue should not be conflated with, or means/ends justified by or excused by, either of the latter issues.
I give Jonathan credit for making the same point I made upon reading Jim Davis’ answers to Jonathan and Robert’s written questions: “If MoFi is as convinced of the sonic superiority of digital duplication and mastering as Jim Davis claims it is . . ., why conceal the fact?”
Jonathan appears not to consider that if consumers had known the truth about the digital step, then perhaps Mobile Fidelity would not have been as successful in business for decades selling its records and “keeping the LP alive.” I am not sure Jonathan should encourage Jim Davis to break his arm patting himself on the back for building a business, and even for helping to sustain an industry, based on a misrepresentation.
Is Jonathan suggesting that the end of keeping consumers buying records through the dark days of digital justified the means of the misrepresentation to sell re-issues? Numerous other companies were manufacturing and selling re-issues during the years in which Mobile Fidelity was selling its digital step vinyl records.
I see the misrepresentation issue as completely separate from the issue of “keeping the LP alive,” and as completely separate from the issue of the sound quality of Mobile Fidelity’s digital step vinyl records. I think that the former issue should not be conflated with, or means/ends justified by or excused by, either of the latter issues.
I give Jonathan credit for making the same point I made upon reading Jim Davis’ answers to Jonathan and Robert’s written questions: “If MoFi is as convinced of the sonic superiority of digital duplication and mastering as Jim Davis claims it is . . ., why conceal the fact?”
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Harley's Proof Is In The Pudding article aligns with the MoFi narrative and from my view, Valin's "show some charity " theme . An extract from it"
"Although MoFi has never expressly stated that it cuts its lacquers from analog tape, it was generally assumed that the company's "Original Master Recordings" were all analog. ...... Some One-Step purchasers are dismayed to learn of the digital conversion , with some commentators suggesting that the One- Step are nothing more than overpriced DSD files .... Although MoFi should have been more transparent about the provenance of its sources, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. The Mofi albums and One Step LPs that I own sound spectacularly great. ..... I would not hesitate to buy MoFi's titles in the future given the company's track record of making great sounding LPs. "
The entire article waxes in support of Mofi . Then again, TAS didn't serve-up the hard questions in its exclusive interview so why would the editorial or article have.
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Excellent perspective. I reached out to both Mr. Valin and Mr. Harley to have a discussion about their Oct 2022 issue writings on my YouTube Channel. Mr. Harley declined for them both.
Come on do you think Absolute Sound is going to trash Mobile Fidelity when they give them full page adds every month. I don't think so. It's amazing how much the magazine makes in advertising; look at all the one and two page full adds.
Have you noticed whenever the Miller (which is me) has spoken the thread dies or ends. So if anyone wants a thread to end let me know.
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