Do you really trust your ears?

caesar

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"Just trust your ears." It's one of the most overused phrases in our hobby. Personally, I trust my ears and the know the sound that I like, but like to verify with the audio reviewers. I like my wines also, and have an idea which ones to order. Sure I know my regions, and sure, there are measurements (acidity, residual sugars, tannin, etc.), but then I always check with the sommelier when I am ordering at an expensive restaurant.

But for me as a audio consumer, I need at least 2 or 3 major publications to confirm what I am hearing, as I think it's important to get several perspectives on a piece of gear. These guys may try different amps with a speaker than I would (although they are usually LAZY and don't try enough different ones!) or listen to it with a greater variety of recordings than I would. Of course, opinions from many blowhards on the internet are sometimes really interesting, as they can be more honest than the experts.


For an example, take the Magico Q speaker. Jonathan Valin thinks it's the best in the history of audio. But then comes along Michael Fremer, and says it's a great speaker - as long as you don't listen to music with big bass impact. If you trusted Valin and you like death metal, your speaker would find its way to Audiogon soon! (With the egos that these guys have, Valin probably thinks that Fremmer is deaf, while Fremmer probably thinks that Valin will call anything "best" just to have the speaker for free in his home for the next 2 or 3 years so he can use it bludgeon any competing speaker.)

But ultimately it's all about opinions. How confident are you in your ability to listen to a pair of speakers or amps several times, and just write the big check (the size of luxury German sedan)? What reassurance do you need in addition to trusting your opinion of the sonic signature? Is it your friends? respectable dealers carrying it? Anything else?
 
Personally I trust my ears completely. If I hear something I don't like, well that's all it takes to disqualify that piece for me. Reviews are nice to read, particularly if the reviewer is in agreement with what I hear, but if that is not the case, then my ears take precedence:D. Which is why I will not buy any piece of gear unless I have heard what it can do for myself. On a A'gon thread a while back, I was taken to task for liking my SF GH's far better than the newer GM's. Many of the flamers were GM owners who never heard the GH's. As time has gone by, the a'phile community has began to accept the fact that the GH's are superior to the GM's. I knew this from the start by listening to both speakers and hearing for myself the differences. The problem that I think is interesting is that people many times do not trust their ears and are sold on something based on price and age/status. The prevailing thinking being the higher the price and the more recent the piece the better:eek:. Sometimes true, but in my experience many times not:(.
 
Caesar-You have been a busy guy lately starting lots of new threads. This one should take on a life of its own. I do trust my ears, but it sure is nice to have a second opinion of someone you trust-especially if that person comes to your house and gives you feedback. I like having my brother come up from Louisville to listen to a new piece of gear. He has no problem telling me I'm whacked if the new piece of gear doesn't sound as good as what I'm trying to replace. He has no axe to grind and no money invested, so his opinion is pure. Plus, he is a musician and he has a sharp set of ears. The problem is he does get mad if he thinks I'm being a bone-head for buying something. There has been numerous pieces of gear he wanted to take a sledge hammer to. The ARC SP-14 and BAT VK-3I come quickly to mind as pieces he wanted to beat on.
 
Personally I trust my ears completely
Agree entirely. Trusting your ears is crucial, they will tell whether it's right or not. My wife says at times, "I think it's sounding good", and I say, "No, it's not, does it sound right?" And she says, "Not quite, but it still sounds special to me", and I say, "That's not good enough! It has to sound right!!" There is a critical difference between those two situations; as I have said many times, you have to be able to put on your worst recording, and that has to sound right! Once you're aware of how well a "bad" recording can be reproduced, such CD's can be an instant test of the system's performance ...

Frank
 
When writing a check that large, it had better do more than satisfy me intellectually. I mean it has got to induce some seriously involuntary reactions, like goosebumps, alter my respiratory and heart rate, dilate my pupils.

I'm serious.

My ears, I do not trust that much. My goosebumps and vital signs, I trust much more.
 
Over time, I have accepted that I hear differently from time to time and that my hearing is significantly influenced by my moods.

To me, a piece of equipment not only has to sound right but should also feel right. Still this is no guarantee that the equipment will always sound right and/or desirable through time. For me, there always comes a time when the equipment will be given a rest due to a change in my preference.

The dealer is definitely a very important part of the equation for me. I want to buy from someone I trust. I give the dealer more weight than the brand and only consider the brands that my trusted dealer carries.

I do not validate what I hear with publications or other audiophiles. I do not ask people who visit me for feedback. To me, it is mine and I am the only person it has to satisfy. If my visitor enjoyed the sound, then I am glad they did. If they did not, then I feel sorry for them that they have wasted their time. Come to think of it, friends have visit me to hear how a piece of equipment sounds like or how a chain of equipment matches. At the end of their visit, they usually describe objectively what they heard but hardly ever tells me their subjective verdict.
 
Hi

Loaded question :) ... .. Our senses are too easily fooled to so naively "trust" them... More than we realize, we need to educate our senses. For example our listening abilities can be honed, they can be educated, something Caesar alluded in a thread some time ago. As a matter of fact audiophiles seem to do this all the time .. All those critical listening sessions allow us to hone our listening abilities; on this I would recommend everyone to download the Harman tool, it is useful and yes, humbling.

I try to educate my senses (hearing in particular) as much as I can and I supplement them with measurement when such are available and reliable.
I trust to a certain extent but I verify.
 
Over time, I have accepted that I hear differently from time to time and that my hearing is significantly influenced by my moods.

I have found this as well and it's taken me several years to accept and accommodate. When my system is configured at the edge of my personal sonic preferences there are times when I have truly satisfying listening sessions and other times when I'd rather do just about anything else. I've come to accept that this is a sign that the system isn't right for my ears. If left unchecked I will eventually stop listening and ultimately take little pleasure from listening.

I've made changes to the system in the past which, by audiophile accounts, should have brought me closer to nirvana. Instead they made the system less involving for me and, ultimately, caused the stereo to gather dust for some time.

It's the times when it's 11:30PM and I have to be up at 5:30, but I convince myself to play another disc that I know things are right for me.

I do not validate what I hear with publications or other audiophiles. I do not ask people who visit me for feedback. To me, it is mine and I am the only person it has to satisfy. If my visitor enjoyed the sound, then I am glad they did. If they did not, then I feel sorry for them that they have wasted their time. Come to think of it, friends have visit me to hear how a piece of equipment sounds like or how a chain of equipment matches. At the end of their visit, they usually describe objectively what they heard but hardly ever tells me their subjective verdict.
There are a few people who have tastes and preferences similar to mine. I do value their opinion, but don't look to them for validation of what I've put together in my system. It's such a matter of personal preference that I have to trust what I'm hearing with my own ears.

There have been a few times where I've questioned my own hearing to such a point that I started driving myself crazy. Once that audiophile OCD takes over the fun stops completely. In those cases it's always nice to have a second opinion either to confirm my feeling that something is wrong or tell me to shut up and listen to more music.
 
Here's a dose of humble pie: How many of us here have sold a piece of gear because we bought something that was *better* only to find out later that we screwed ourselves and the new piece isn't better? I will admit I have-and more than once. It's not a good feeling when that reality sets in. Pesky old ears...
 
Here's a dose of humble pie: How many of us here have sold a piece of gear because we bought something that was *better* only to find out later that we screwed ourselves and the new piece isn't better? I will admit I have-and more than once. It's not a good feeling when that reality sets in. Pesky old ears...

Been there!

I sold a pair of Rowland 9Tis to purchase a pair of Rowland 301s. This was shortly after the product introduction and I hadn't had a chance to listen to them. Upon firing them up I was blown away with the amount of detail and all of their audiophile qualities, but completely overlooked the fact that they weren't very musical in my system. I got them in the month of July and by early September I wasn't listening to the system at all. Fortunately I was able to sell them, but after that the system went on hiatus for a while.

When I went to re-build the system I bought back the same pair of 301s!! Same exact thing happened. It wasn't until I went back to one of Jeff's earlier designs (in this case two pair of M12s in parallel) that I started to really listen again.


I've made the same mistake with Phono cartridges on several occasions as well. A couple of those fiascoes got really expensive.
 
I would say immerse yourself into live music they you will know. However, the music systems owned by musicians I know show that doesn't always apply. I look at it this way. Most folks know distortion when they hear it. It is gratifying when one successfully peels off distortion from their system. In my case, I just have to depend on the creators of the CD I am listening to to get it right.

After all the distortion, and obfuscation is cleared, you are left with the limitations of your speakers. I will be the first to recognize my system may not match well with, "Death Metal." :D
 
Here's a dose of humble pie: How many of us here have sold a piece of gear because we bought something that was *better* only to find out later that we screwed ourselves and the new piece isn't better? I will admit I have-and more than once. It's not a good feeling when that reality sets in. Pesky old ears...

Way back in the beginning, I tried to rely on the early, "Audioreview," site's customer reviews. On reviews that consistently got full stars and over a hundred of them, Audioreview would tag that topic. I bought a Sony player so highlighted. Just a day after I got it, someone brought over a tubed player. I listened with a dropped jaw. I went back to the forum and stated my new found distaste for the Sony. Understandably, I got dog piled for my temerity.

I guess this shows, if your system is only as good as reviewers say parts of it is, you are facing a prison of mid-fi. You become a victim of well reviewed high priced snake oil.
 
mep --

You make a good point. I think you point out a trap we easily fall into: we mistake hearing something as 'different' which is not always 'better'. I usually require an extended audition or multiple auditions to distinguish between the two.
 
BTW - was the Magico Q5 review ever published in TAS?
 

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