I emphatically disagree that this is vinyl's "dirty little secret". Ask any collector. If it were true, people would not have huge record collections.
Al alleged "vinyl's dirty little secret." Not me.
I emphatically disagree that this is vinyl's "dirty little secret". Ask any collector. If it were true, people would not have huge record collections.
That's a very good point. My friend runs a record store, and audiophiles are like 5-10% of all customers. They are apparently the most annoying of all customers too. Not my words, hisWalked into a record store recently and it was abuzz. But I didn't see any audiophiles there. Just normal people buying records.
What percentage of records out there are decent recordings that audiophiles would enjoy?
1%?
5% ?
25%?
Other?
Al alleged "vinyl's dirty little secret." Not me.
I completely agree. Where did I write that plain, average LPs are bad?
I would agree with the 8-Track as I have not heard a good one yet, but I would disagree about Compact Cassette. Done properly Compact Cassette sounds amazing.All formats can sound good except 8-track and cassette.
That’s more to the point, in my view. The source matters more than how it’s played back. Digital done right is not going to sound artificial.Keep in mind that a digital source for an LP is likely not the same as the one used for the digital release. When we were doing an LP master, we would request a source file that didn't have all the DSP stuff in it; in particular compression. In this way we could cut a better sounding LP, since the digital release is often compressed due to the expectation it will be played in a car.
Absolutely and this is how it always have been regardless of the format. My daughter is part of the non audiophile group that is buying vinyl.Vinyls are bought by music collectors and lovers most of the time.
Since cassettes run at 1.875 inches per second, I think that is a very difficult argument to make.I would agree with the 8-Track as I have not heard a good one yet, but I would disagree about Compact Cassette. Done properly Compact Cassette sounds amazing.
it's possible to eliminate digital noise artifacts.My main problem with digital outside of being sensitive to its noise artifacts is that it sounds too artificial.
agree.And I pointed out that a lot of digital sounds artificial to me too, especially computer-audio based digital (even though, as I emphasized, that can be done right, but that is not often the case, in my experience).
So yes, I don't disagree with you in that sense, there is lots of artificial sounding digital. If you say that all digital sounds artificial, I do have to disagree with you.
not me. i'm all in on analog, and continue to push my analog efforts higher and higher. those grooves keep delivering too.I am done with digital. After having suffered thru every digital format available over the years, and never liking the sound of any of it, I am putting all my time, money and effort into my analog front-ends (turntable and tapedeck).
How many of you have a similar story to tell?
For me, "vinyl's dirty little secret" is that, for classical enthusiasts, there have been no new analog-recorded LPs of standard repertoire released in this century. A few one-off specials carry little weight.Al alleged "vinyl's dirty little secret." Not me.
So it's all about measurements? If that's the case then analogue does not get a look in with digital. Forget about the speed, have you heard a good recording made on a quality deck with quality metal cassettes?Since cassettes run at 1.875 inches per second, I think that is a very difficult argument to make.
Keep in mind that a digital source for an LP is likely not the same as the one used for the digital release. When we were doing an LP master, we would request a source file that didn't have all the DSP stuff in it; in particular compression. In this way we could cut a better sounding LP, since the digital release is often compressed due to the expectation it will be played in a car.
“Vinyl‘s dirty little secret“ is that during this digital age of music, vinyl sales have been steadily increasing for the past 15 years, especially during COVID when people had more time to actually listen …
I didn’t know what I was missing until I came back to vinyl. WOW what a difference! And with today’s TTs and carts absolutely amazing! Incredible!!! This isn’t saying digital is bad by any means, but it will never be true analogue.
the general idea may be nothing new, and how Wadax eliminates digital artifacts might be completely different from the misIC feed-forward error correction process. that could just be a smoke screen. but however they pull it off....it works big time.The technique of applying inverse error signals to cancel them in nothing new - Devialet reports its use it in their electronics. IMHO what can make a difference is how it is implemented. Assuming the errors are calculated in real time from the data, is the error subtracted in the analog domain to the signal of the DAC?
the general idea may be nothing new, and how Wadax eliminates digital artifacts might be completely different from the misIC feed-forward error correction process. that could just be a smoke screen. but however they pull it off....it works big time.
i guess we need you to directly A/B your Devialet with the Wadax combo to see which one actually does eliminate digital artifacts.
directly comparing the Wadax to the MSB Select II it's clear the very significant difference where one has those digital artifacts and one does not. maybe somehow the Devialet is much much better than the MSB Select II at this? but i seriously doubt it.
Well of course they are because they are prejudiced. What a silly, indefensible, pretentious generalization albeit typical for this type of thread.I think vinyl people would also counter that, in their view, it is easier to get emotionally-engaging sound with a modest vinyl replay set-up than it is with a modest digital replay set-up.
And so will not digital sourced LPs ever be true analogue. Yet these are the bulk of the vinyl revival "in this digital age" that you laud in the first part of your post.
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