How Would You Describe the Sound of Tape?

I had a chat with Tony Faulkner at a hifi show once, asked him why his digital recordings sounded so much better on vinyl, he agreed and put it down to the vinyl mastering engineers talent.

In fact, at a later phase Tony Faulkner felt analog tape offered a unique character in terms of sound and returned to tape. However, as far as I know only digital versions of these few recordings were issued.
 
I assume it was this interview:


He definitely prefers high-resolution digital to analog tape and explains why.

Probably it was Bert, but is was not this one - in some sense it was complementary to this one.

Thanks for the link - I quote " In the past, when the best technology captured less information, engineers tended to over-gather data, placing equal emphasis (or worse, over-emphasis) on all aspects of the potential mix. Then, to compensate for the lack of visual and other sensory information (the data our sight, skin, and scent collect at live performances), they created layers—depth of field—via supporting microphones, EQ, and dynamic alterations. They could offer focal points everywhere simultaneously, often incoherent in imaging and perspective."

An interesting reference to something I often refer in sound reproduction - the "lack of visual and other sensory information".
 
If you say so, I believe that in your particular system it is so - you and people being there prefer tape. Perhaps I would also have prefered.
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I am unhappy with you reference to agendas - the best way to kill any debate in WBF. I also find the "we fans of music reproduction" regrettable. The "truth" ? LOL ...
i don't get my music reproduction media truth from any pro audio guys. Faulkner for years was identified with dsd and sacd efforts and so it's natural he might (or did) have biases. or not. agendas are not evil. but they exist. in general pro audio guys have compromised playback gear and systems and that is also an issue.

OTOH i have years of dsd and sacd media and compares with high level vinyl and tape and really nothing to talk about based on music realism in my experience. mic feeds be damned. that is not the truth. music listeners hear the truth about the actual media. if mic feeds are less real than analog media then forget mic feeds.

maybe playback processes are not robust enough to reveal what the tape is doing compared to the mic feeds?
 
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i don't get my music reproduction media truth from any pro audio guys.

In fact professionals present very interesting explanations about real aspects of stereo sound reproduction and articulated reasons to explain the differences and different abilities of the both analog and digital recording. IMO much more interesting than just out particular preference in some high-end very tailored systems. Surely we have different perspectives on understanding and enjoying the the hobby.

Faulkner for years was identified with dsd and sacd efforts and so it's natural he might (or did) have biases. or not. agendas are not evil. but they exist. in general pro audio guys have compromised playback gear and systems and that is also an issue.

Tony Faulkner preferences do not interest me. I just reported a result from an experience he carried. Surely I can't ignore the quality of his digital recordings with labels such as Hyperion - I rank his recordings of ancient coral music very high.

OTOH i have years of dsd and sacd media and compares with high level vinyl and tape and really nothing to talk about based on music realism in my experience. mic feeds be damned. that is not the truth. music listeners hear the truth about the actual media.

Well, you will stay with your own preference that now becomes "truth". Ok, I am used to such common WBF semantic manipulations. Everyone wants his preference to become the "truth", probably it increases listening pleasure and gets better sleep ...

if mic feeds are less real than analog media then forget mic feeds.

There is no reality in stereo, it is an illusion. :)

maybe playback processes are not robust enough to reveal what the tape is doing compared to the mic feeds?

Again, I think you are not understanding the concept of preference. BTW, the speakers being used in this experiment were the Quad ESL63's.
 
Although it is just anecdotal evidence carried by blind test listening of a piano being reported by Tony Faulkner when comparing a direct mic feed and the mic feed going through a tape loop or a digital loop , listeners found the digital loop to be closer to the direct mic feed, but preferred the sound of tape!

At some time people carrying mastering would process their recording using a tape loop. Current trend in going through an "analog processor" - you can even choose the type of machine being emulated - Studer, ATR or Nagra!
I have done that many times. DSD128 is indistinguishable from direct mic feed. However, playback involves many other variables, especially if a network is involved. And there are very few pure DSD recordings, and no modern engineer at the level of Wilkinson, Leyton, Fine etc.
 
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i don't get my music reproduction media truth from any pro audio guys. Faulkner for years was identified with dsd and sacd efforts and so it's natural he might (or did) have biases. or not. agendas are not evil. but they exist. in general pro audio guys have compromised playback gear and systems and that is also an issue.

OTOH i have years of dsd and sacd media and compares with high level vinyl and tape and really nothing to talk about based on music realism in my experience. mic feeds be damned. that is not the truth. music listeners hear the truth about the actual media. if mic feeds are less real than analog media then forget mic feeds.

maybe playback processes are not robust enough to reveal what the tape is doing compared to the mic feeds?
Sure. Best to fire all the pro audio guys and have audiophiles make recordings. LOL.
 
I assume it was this interview:


He definitely prefers high-resolution digital to analog tape and explains why.

I have about 4 of his CD/ SACD s .
Either my digital isnt good enough which could well be the case , but his recordings arent up with good tape .
Im comparing Meitner MA2 digital not Wadax level digital .
With tape there is just an abundance of info / clues which aren t even reproduced with digital
Digital sounds unnaturally clean compared to tape.

Ps i havent heard tape play back as good as i have at home currently .
At shows the tape revival has some what slowed , never heard tape at a dealer show ever.
 
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With tape there is just an abundance of info / clues which aren t even reproduced with digital
Digital sounds unnaturally clean compared to tape.

Does "unnaturally clean" mean lack of hall ambience, spatial clues, decay etc? If that is the case, your digital may have a problem with low-level linearity. It's not intrinsic to the medium.
 
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Sure. Best to fire all the pro audio guys and have audiophiles make recordings. LOL.
Instead, pro audio professionals could learn to respect audiophiles and let go of preconceptions such as “digital is just ones and zeros,” “computer processes do no harm,” and “cable length doesn’t matter as long as the connection is balanced.”

Additionally, audiophiles should understand that recording music and reproducing it at home are two different things. Pro audio expertise applies to recording, so they shouldn’t be consulted about home music reproduction.
 
He definitely prefers high-resolution digital to analog tape and explains why.
I read the interview. In the interview he did not explain why.

We now have a much better knowledge of digital, how it differs from analog and how it became mature to a level that exceeds the best analog.

This doesn't tell us anything substantive.

The reality is that no matter the underlying preferences and the underlying perceptions no professional audio person wants to go back to editing a recording with a splicing block, a razor and splicing tape (like I used to do in high school). They will always find a reason to prefer digital today.
 
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I read the interview. In the interview he did not explain why.

It was not the objective of the interview. Fortunately there is still a world where people want to explain things and debate with knowledge and facts, not just tell us "mine is the best".

We now have a much better knowledge of digital, how it differs from analog and how it became mature to a level that exceeds the best analog.

This doesn't tell us anything substantive.

Yes, he addressed the subject in other interviews. You can use chatgpt to locate them easily. BTW, I only wanted to address his view on different ways of recording to get the best of each technique, not the usual fishing challenge of previous year ...

The reality is that no matter the underlying preferences and the underlying perceptions no professional audio person wants to go back to editing a recording with a splicing block, a razor and splicing tape (like I used to do in high school).

Yes, one of many reasons. BTW, I still have my splicing block, a razor and a few collared splicing tapes - they are in a closet , close to my Edison phoongraph.

They will always find a reason to prefer digital today.

Yes, Ron, we know professionals are part of big conspiration against analog. :)
 

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