Nice job editing out the very funny flame thrower comments in the revisionist history above. And please, continue to enjoy your supremicist audio fantasies!Feeling not hurt?!?
Let me quote Valin again for you:
"...Switching over to hi-res streaming via Qobuz was, once again, a shock. I'm used to streaming; I've grown to like it (or, at least, to tolerate it). But in comparison to the physical disc, the sound of the Qobuz stream of Blues for the Soul through the Dream-Play XC DAC was like the taste of a glass of 2019 Chateau De Beaucastel Chateauneuf Du-Pape Hommage à Jacques Perrin into which some fool has poured an equal amount of tap water. Everything was weakened, watered down, diluted in color, flattened in body, made ordinary, listless, digitally flavorless. ..."
Again, we are sharing and describing experiences we have had, choose, or refuse to partake in, based on their personal goals, while providing rationale. And insecure guys, who obtain their self esteem by thinking somehow the cosmos will align everyone's preferences, are wigging out.
Yet again, I said this in my original post : " ....But obviously other people have had different experiences to form their opinions - either via different perception or via being experientially impoverished.
And the experiences people have in their minds are completely different from what others have in their minds. Disagreements will go on forever ...".
More Consensus That Streaming Is An Inferior Format & Not High End?
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Ripping CDs and managing a file system may be a PITA to some, but I find storing and locating CDs in one's collection as much if not more of a PITA. In one case, it's a one-time effort, in the other it is a continuous struggle.
A computerized system can also be very powerful if you get into metadata management. For this, there are unfortunately no great solutions available today, but that's a topic for another day.
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This is a good argument for owning your media, and it applies to both analog AND digital.
A related idea is that with vinyl, if the mastering and pressing are good, most (if not all) of the ways to screw it up are under your direct control. This is probably also true for CDs, and maybe even for digital files stored on your own devices.
But streaming is a different animal. When I first started dabbling in streaming in 2020, it was very frustrating. It was highly variable, even though we had nominally high level service from our isp.
I’d say it took two years to sort it out. When I was finally able to go to the isp and pound the table with evidence of quarter second latencies and significant packet loss, they actually took it seriously, dug in, and made upgrades and repairs on their side of my gateway.
Between the isp working their problems and my commitment to hardwire my devices to my Ethernet, streaming leaped forward. But I’m still at the mercy of the music service providers. Between Qobuz, Mosaic, BluOS, Roon, Prime, HEOS, and the like, there are a lot of ways for quality to randomly suffer that are difficult to identify with certainty. For the last year streaming has been VERY good here with only occasional hiccups.
In 2020 - 2022 when I was trying to sort out the networking issues, I listened to a steady chorus from dedicated streamers that my problems were imaginary and that WiFi was perfectly capable of the highest quality.
People extrapolate from their own value system and experiences base onto others whose values and experience might not match their own.
I am perfectly happy believing that when one person complains about or praises a format, that their complaint or praise is legitimate for their circumstance. Is it really necessary to convince that person that they’re ignorant, or wrong?
Right, so it's a fault with the Tidal windows app? Any other Tidal users find 24/192 stutters?
You sound pretty crabby yourself, hey it's the human condition. And the thread was started by the ultimate crabby audiophile. It's crustacean heaven here.
Indeed, I enjoy streaming on phone and on laptop, over my $ 30 headphones. No, in that sense streaming is really not difficult.
Getting it right in a high end system is an entirely different matter.
Graham (sound of Tao), an avid streamer himself, conceded as much in post #869 (as did Another Johnson in #883). Observing the drama in friends' systems, that is also my experience.
I will jump into this only once I absolutely have to, which has not been the case so far.
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As long as the so called audio purists have not installed a TT in their car , i don 't take them serious
I'm just old enough, 72, that my son was 6 and my daughter 8 when I brought home an Apple Macintosh for them in 1984. within a few weeks they were cruising, and were teaching/guiding me. I never learned. and ever since then that's how it's been. I ask my son for help still. and he does. so I'm good.
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...I consider myself to be moderately crabby, although I did go "full Dick Van Dyke" on the ice before sun rise this morning. And for the record: I did not call out anyone by name. In fact, since it's now on my "permanent record" I will further note I always read @the sound of Tao and enjoy his posts. Carry on!
It’s been done.
The bumpy story of vinyl record players in cars
Despite being obviously ill-suited for use in vehicles, I still want to find a workable solution for installing a record player in my car.
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I am afraid I don't have enough information to tell you what is wrong, but if Netflix works fine, it's not likely to be your network connection - as even the very lowest quality offered by Netflix requires higher bandwidth than 24/192 MQA from Tidal.
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It’s been done.
The bumpy story of vinyl record players in cars
Despite being obviously ill-suited for use in vehicles, I still want to find a workable solution for installing a record player in my car.
It didn t sound very good after listening to the vid .
.It wasn t a very " high end " solution .
Thanks Mike, that detail doesn't show up in the Tidal app.
I looked on the Tidal app and doing a search to get clarity on whether Tidal offers higher rez non MQA and could not find anything.
They talk about high rez, but it seems they really don’t “yet” deliver.
Maybe someone knows more?
I also checked my Roon set up choices but all they allow is to set a preference for what shows up first as far as versions.
Ripping CDs, for me, was a bit of a PITA. But once I started listening to music while I ripped, things got easier.
Of course, one could just stream from Qobuz, for example.
With something like the Grimm MU1, if your ripped CD + downloads don't exceed 8TB and you don't mind Roon (while Grimm works on a software change for more options), you wouldn't have to mess with a NAS at all [note: not sure how Grimm does it but Roon sounds very good via the MU1]. Grimm provides step-by-step, simple instructions to set up the MU1and connect to Roon. Easy.
If you want to use a transport for CDs instead of ripping, plug that into the MU1. It adds its magic up/down sampling sauce. One could then use the streaming function for internet only sources. Then you don't have to debate which is better because you have both, thus encouraging world peace.
When you play a track via the windows app, it says it's FLAC or MQA, no mention of the bit/sampling rate.
Assume with the album mentioned is 24/48 FLAC as opposed to 24/192 on Qobuz.
correct. the Tidal streaming file is 24/48, the MQA equivalent is called 24/192. or whatever term they use.
Although I haven't tried exotic switches etc, I am not surprised they make a fundamental improvement to the sound. Even when I change from connecting my laptop to wifi via router to via hotspot/mobile phone I hear an improvement. Go figure.
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