QSA LANEDRI Series

Hi Steven,
Very glad yo see that there is a QSA Forum on WBF.
Congratulations!

QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...

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I think I wrote the first QSA review on WBF, back in 2012.

QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...

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May I ask you two questions?

Firstly, I notice on you website that QSA-Lanedri cables are being launched.

HOME | QSA LANEDRI

www.qsa-lanedri.com

May you tell us more about them?
What metals are employed and what special features do they have?

Secondly, several frds of mine in Hong Kong have bought QSA JitterPower.


Again, please tell the WBF members more about these series of accessories.

Many thanks!

Cheers,
CK

 

How does the performance of the Veridion Amazon cables compare with the original QSAL Gamma Infinity and Gamma Relevation range?

Do the Veridion series cables still undergo the QSA treatment? Or is the Veridion treatment a replacement for QSA treatment?

When comparing Discovery Veridion cables to Gamma Infinity and Revelation cables, two distinct aspects must be considered:

1. Breadth of Musical Impact​

Just as Infinity technology was engineered to enhance more aspects of musical reproduction than Revelation, Veridion technology represents a true breakthrough in musical realism. It addresses dimensions of audio reproduction that surpass anything we've previously achieved with either Infinity or Revelation technologies.

2. Magnitude of Impact​

While Discovery Veridion cables deliver astonishing improvements, they provide only a glimpse of Veridion's full potential. This limitation stems from their construction using basic, non-audiophile grade, low-gauge cable foundations.

By contrast, our Gamma series utilizes Blue Jeans Cables as their foundation, sophisticated, audiophile-grade designs that allow our technology to achieve a much higher impact.

In summary,

Gamma Infinity and Revelation cables: Deliver a much higher magnitude of what their respective technologies can achieve

Discovery Veridion cables: Provide an initial glimpse into Veridion's revolutionary approach to music realism, but with limited implementation

For a true "apples-to-apples" comparison, evaluating Gamma Veridion against Gamma Infinity reveals the transformative leap that Veridion technology represents in musical realism.

 

It doesn't say how Monoprice Veridion cable compares to the Revelation or Gamma Infinity models. That said, it will "only" cost $250 to make this comparison in one's own system.

 

It doesn't say how Monoprice Veridion cable compares to the Revelation or Gamma Infinity models. That said, it will "only" cost $250 to make this comparison in one's own system.

That is precisely what the Discovery Veridion cables were specifically created for in order to offer both existing and new clients the opportunity to experience our groundbreaking Veridion technology at a nominal, risk-free investment. For our existing clients, we gladly accept Discovery Veridion cables as credit toward upgrading to our premium Gamma, Spectra, or Ultimatum series should they choose to advance their audio journey. While our primary focus remains musical reproduction, it's worth noting that Discovery Veridion cables deliver remarkable improvements to home theater systems, providing startling enhancements to TV audio clarity and even refining visual vibrancy.

As transformative as our Infinity and Revelation technologies have been in elevating the music experience to unprecedented levels, Veridion technology represents a genuine breakthrough in music realism. This innovation emerges from a rigorous R&D cycle that typically spans between five and ten years, with initial Veridion research beginning in 2020 and accelerating significantly from 2022 onward.

We encourage everyone to experience the Discovery Veridion cables and share their impressions, comparing them to any cables at any price point. Ultimately, our goal is to perfect the musical experience, with technology serving as the enabler of our shared audiophile passion.

 

So would the sound quality and price summary be in this order (for power chords)?

Amazon Veridion $250 *
Gamma Relevation $2500
Gamma Infinity $4000
(or Amazon Veridion $250 *)
Gamma Veridion $4500
Ultimatum Infinity $18000 *
Ultimatum Veridion $19500

* please especially confirm the positioning of these. The way you describe the Veridion process suggests the ranking of the Amazon Veridion might be higher than the Gamma Infinity which is a worry for existing owners of the GI.

A clear understand of where your existing customers’ cables fit in is important for the decision to upgrade and to reassure us that the value of our purchases are retained after just 2 short years after launch even without the upgrade.

For transparency, please do confirm that QSAL is still using the QSA process on the new Veridion cables.

 

So would the sound quality and price summary be in this order (for power chords)?

Amazon Veridion $250 *
Gamma Relevation $2500
Gamma Infinity $4000
(or Amazon Veridion $250 *)
Gamma Veridion $4500
Ultimatum Infinity $18000 *
Ultimatum Veridion $19500

* please especially confirm the positioning of these. The way you describe the Veridion process suggests the ranking of the Amazon Veridion might be higher than the Gamma Infinity which is a worry for existing owners of the GI.

A clear understand of where your existing customers’ cables fit in is important for the decision to upgrade and to reassure us that the value of our purchases are retained after just 2 short years after launch even without the upgrade.

For transparency, please do confirm that QSAL is still using the QSA process on the new Veridion cables.

To clarify our recent communications: with the introduction of Veridion technology, we are phasing out both the Revelation and Infinity product lines. Going forward, our commercial catalog will feature exclusively:

• Gamma Veridion Series
• Spectra Veridion Series
• Ultimatum Veridion Series
• Discovery Veridion Cables (limited-time offering)

Our Commitment to Existing Clients​

Our loyal clients remain at the core of our transition strategy. We've created a specially priced upgrade path allowing current owners to experience Veridion technology at the lowest cost we can reasonably offer. This approach reflects our dedication to ensuring that all our customers—both existing and new—can share in the exceptional musical experience that Veridion delivers.

The decision to introduce Veridion wasn't driven by commercial interests, but by our genuine desire to share the musical joy we discovered through this technology. We understand the dilemma companies face when introducing significant upgrades: how to balance innovation with loyalty to existing customers. Our upgrade proposal aims to make this transition as smooth and affordable as possible.

Looking Forward​

Is Veridion the end of our technological journey? We doubt this very much. As passionate audiophiles, we will continue pursuing the next breakthrough, it's the foundation of our brand's existence.

Does one need to upgrade to Veridion? Not necessarily, if you're satisfied with your Infinity or Revelation cables. However, in our experience, once Veridion is heard, there's no going back.

Should one wait another 5 years for the possibility of the next breakthrough? This personal decision ultimately comes down to when "enough is enough" for your listening enjoyment.

Should a company with ongoing R&D halt sales while developing the next innovation? We believe this serves neither the company nor customers who don't want to delay their musical enjoyment.

We strive to find the right balance, treating all clients with equal consideration while fulfilling our mission to share musical joy as broadly as possible. While we may not satisfy everyone, we dedicate ourselves wholeheartedly to this goal.

 

For transparency, please do confirm that QSAL is still using the QSA process on the new Veridion cables.

Quantum Science Audio (QSA) represents our foundational research platform, with Veridion standing as our latest breakthrough technology under this innovative umbrella.

 

Is the new $1000 line still in the cards to fill the gap left by the Revelation series?

 

Is the new $1000 line still in the cards to fill the gap left by the Revelation series?

We're extending our Discovery Veridion series with additional cable types as part of our limited-time promotional offer. This expansion will provide more entry points for experiencing Veridion's transformative impact while increasing awareness of our breakthrough technology.

 

How does the performance of the Veridion Amazon cables compare with the original QSAL Gamma Infinity and Gamma Relevation range?

Do the Veridion series cables still undergo the QSA treatment? Or is the Veridion treatment a replacement for QSA treatment?

Yes to the latter. So the Verdion USB cable is the Gamm Infinity + Veridion, aka Gamma Veridion. Apparently no more split Gamma line.

Speaking of the USB GV cable, it’s a substantial improvement over the GI. Tonally, while mine is still burning in (off system), at 100 hours the neutral voicing was the same. I'll follow up at around 300 hours.

In addition to the two Stereo Times reviews of the Discovery power cord, Alpha Audio did a quick comparison, including measurements, of the Veridion vs. what I assume was the $5 Amazon cord on which it was based.

 

Yes to the latter. So the Verdion USB cable is the Gamm Infinity + Veridion, aka Gamma Veridion. Apparently no more split Gamma line.

Thanks for confirming this @highstream

Good to hear the new Veridion range still uses QSA tech and the relationship with Steven isn’t broken. I’m assuming the Veridion process is on top of the QSA process and the effect accumulative.

Please support your existing customers and assure us our current pre-upgrade investment in the QSAL brand is secure. I feel like we are being forced to upgrade. But having to do so without a clear understanding of what comparative benefits before and after the upgrade. Repeated mention that the V series is good but how does the old G,S and U series compare with the V series?

There is mention the GV exceeds the GR and GI by quite a bit. Good data point. Does the new Gamma Veridion range exceed the Ultimatum Infinity range?

 

Hi Anas and everyone here, I have been lurking here for a while reading about QSA-Lanedri’s innovations with cabling and the QSA treatment with interest over the last 2 years and am finally very happy to have just dipped my toe into the QSAL waters and ordered two of Veridion Discovery power cables. Like many people's early comments here, my initial reaction was one of incredulity but the customer reports and ongoing R&D that has been carried out by Anas and people whose ears I have come to trust have been compelling reading.

I have been a long-term user of SR fuses and some time ago a trusted contact on this forum introduced me to QSA fuses. The result was enlightening! I look forward to posting more details about my system, results of listening tests and experiments with placement of these cables as I gently introduce myself to Anas' creations!

Cheers,
Crom

 

Thanks for confirming this @highstream


Please support your existing customers and assure us our current pre-upgrade investment in the QSAL brand is secure. I feel like we are being forced to upgrade. But having to do so without a clear understanding of what comparative benefits before and after the upgrade. Repeated mention that the V series is good but how does the old G,S and U series compare with the V series?

Quantifying the comparative impacts between the Infinity and Veridion cables is challenging, as it pertains to the emotional musical experience. When comparing Gamma Veridion to Gamma Infinity, Spectra Veridion to Spectra Infinity, or Ultimatum Veridion to Ultimatum Infinity, the foremost impression is an unprecedented sense of realism.

The initial batch of Discovery Veridion cables is scheduled for dispatch in the coming weeks. We eagerly anticipate your impressions and comparisons with other cables across the market.

There is mention the GV exceeds the GR and GI by quite a bit. Good data point. Does the new Gamma Veridion range exceed the Ultimatum Infinity range?

No. The Gamma Veridion does not, and is not intended to, surpass the Spectra Infinity or Ultimatum Infinity in terms of the overall magnitude of impact. Both the Spectra Infinity and Ultimatum Infinity are engineered to deliver a higher degree of sonic influence, leveraging the full potential of Infinity technology.

What distinguishes Veridion technology is its ability to deliver aspects of musical realism that are simply not available with Infinity technology, this is the fundamental reason for Veridion's existence.

A glimpse into Veridion's capabilities can be experienced through the Discovery Veridion cables. As one progresses through the series, from Gamma Veridion to Spectra Veridion, culminating in the Ultimatum Veridion, the magnitude of impact and the depth of realism intensify significantly.

 

Hi Anas and everyone here, I have been lurking here for a while reading about QSA-Lanedri’s innovations with cabling and the QSA treatment with interest over the last 2 years and am finally very happy to have just dipped my toe into the QSAL waters and ordered two of Veridion Discovery power cables. Like many people's early comments here, my initial reaction was one of incredulity but the customer reports and ongoing R&D that has been carried out by Anas and people whose ears I have come to trust have been compelling reading.

I have been a long-term user of SR fuses and some time ago a trusted contact on this forum introduced me to QSA fuses. The result was enlightening! I look forward to posting more details about my system, results of listening tests and experiments with placement of these cables as I gently introduce myself to Anas' creations!

Cheers,
Crom

Welcome to the QSA Lanedri journey, Crom. It is an addictive journey, and we guarantee it exceeds even the highest expectations.

 

what other cables will you be offering as part of the Discovery series?

 

Yes to the latter. So the Verdion USB cable is the Gamm Infinity + Veridion, aka Gamma Veridion. Apparently no more split Gamma line.

Speaking of the USB GV cable, it’s a substantial improvement over the GI. Tonally, while mine is still burning in (off system), at 100 hours the neutral voicing was the same. I'll follow up at around 300 hours.

In addition to the two Stereo Times reviews of the Discovery power cord, Alpha Audio did a quick comparison, including measurements, of the Veridion vs. what I assume was the $5 Amazon cord on which it was based.

This is to follow up my previous comment about the Gamma Infinity Veridion USB cable, based on listening at 100, 300, 350 and now at 400 hours. Anas had earlier sent me the GI USB, which I was about to return, finding it lacking any bit of warmth. But he then offered to extend the audition period with the Veridion, when it was ready, along with a QSA'd A-A USB adapter that he thought would add some warmth.

Before the more recent listens, while I was still using the Sablon Evo USB (on loan), I moved adapters and power cables feeding a few of the SDFBs around to maximize warmth. In fact, it ended up being a little too romantic for my tastes, but I wanted to give the QSA a good shot. Here's what I found:

Strengths:
- Clear
- Dynamic
- Fast
- Wide soundstage
- Well-Balanced across frequency spectrum
- Presence
- Swings

Not so strong:
- Noticeable lack of body, somewhat thin in that sense
- Felt like I was hearing instruments and voices playing with little to no emotion, not involving (e.g., the Jonny Hartman/Coltrane album was telling -- I heard Hartman several times during the '70's in Chicago)

I don't know about the Ultimatum level, which I can't afford, but the Gamma Infinity level voicing just hasn't worked for me on three tries. Of course, YMMV, and depending on your system and tastes I wouldn't want to suggest the Veridion update isn't worth a try. I do want to thank Anas for his first-class generosity, service and patience in working with me to get the most out of the audition period. He's a good guy.

 

This is to follow up my previous comment about the Gamma Infinity Veridion USB cable, based on listening at 100, 300, 350 and now at 400 hours.

It's a good thing break in is only 2,000 hours.

 

This is to follow up my previous comment about the Gamma Infinity Veridion USB cable, based on listening at 100, 300, 350 and now at 400 hours. Anas had earlier sent me the GI USB, which I was about to return, finding it lacking any bit of warmth. But he then offered to extend the audition period with the Veridion, when it was ready, along with a QSA'd A-A USB adapter that he thought would add some warmth.

Before the more recent listens, while I was still using the Sablon Evo USB (on loan), I moved adapters and power cables feeding a few of the SDFBs around to maximize warmth. In fact, it ended up being a little too romantic for my tastes, but I wanted to give the QSA a good shot. Here's what I found:

Strengths:
- Clear
- Dynamic
- Fast
- Wide soundstage
- Well-Balanced across frequency spectrum
- Presence
- Swings

Not so strong:
- Noticeable lack of body, somewhat thin in that sense
- Felt like I was hearing instruments and voices playing with little to no emotion, not involving (e.g., the Jonny Hartman/Coltrane album was telling -- I heard Hartman several times during the '70's in Chicago)

I don't know about the Ultimatum level, which I can't afford, but the Gamma Infinity level voicing just hasn't worked for me on three tries. Of course, YMMV, and depending on your system and tastes I wouldn't want to suggest the Veridion update isn't worth a try. I do want to thank Anas for his first-class generosity, service and patience in working with me to get the most out of the audition period. He's a good guy.

Thank you @highstream for your valuable feedback.

USB cables are among the most challenging to develop in our R&D, which is why their introduction came nearly three years after we launched our first cable series.

With our technology, the mass of the conductors plays a critical role in performance, and this is exactly where higher gauge cables address some of the points you mentioned. The Spectra and Ultimatum USB cables are currently in advanced stages of R&D, but they are not yet ready for commercial release.