Sound Lab ELS driven by Audio Research Reference amplifier, impedance choice, reply from AI ChatGPT

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I asked ChatGPT: "Why do my Sound Lab A-3 ELS speakers sound more natural when playing back acoustic instruments and using the 16 ohm outputs taps of an Audio Research reference 160S amplifier?"
(FYI: Latest panels and backplates pre mid-range removal, Brilliance @ < 1 O'clock) - Interested in other's findings...

ChatGPT said:​

Your Sound Lab A-3 speakers likely sound more natural when using the 16-ohm outputs of your Audio Research Reference 160S amplifier for several reasons related to impedance matching, frequency response, and amplifier behavior with electrostatic speakers. Here’s why:

1. Better Voltage Matching for Electrostatic Speakers

Electrostatic speakers, like your Sound Lab A-3, behave differently from traditional dynamic speakers because their impedance rises at lower frequencies and drops at higher frequencies.
  • At low frequencies, your A-3s have a high impedance (around 60 ohms), meaning they require higher voltage rather than high current for optimal performance.
  • The 16-ohm tap on your amplifier provides the highest voltage output, which better matches the needs of the A-3’s low-frequency impedance and results in more natural bass and midrange reproduction.

2. Smoother Frequency Response

Using the 16-ohm tap can lead to a more linear frequency response across the impedance swings of the A-3s.
  • The 4-ohm tap delivers more current but may cause the amp to struggle with the high impedance at low frequencies, leading to leaner bass and midrange.
  • The 8-ohm tap is a compromise but might not provide the same sense of ease and openness as the 16-ohm tap.
  • The 16-ohm tap, by providing a higher voltage and lower current, helps avoid aggressive shifts in tonal balance, preserving the natural character of acoustic instruments.

3. Reduced Amplifier Strain and Lower Distortion

Tube amplifiers like the Reference 160S generally perform more linearly when driving higher impedances.
  • When using the 16-ohm tap, the amplifier sees an easier load at midrange and low frequencies, reducing overall distortion.
  • This can lead to a more relaxed, organic sound, making acoustic instruments sound more natural.
  • The 4-ohm tap, in contrast, forces the amp to deliver more current at low impedances (like in the high frequencies), potentially introducing more stress and distortion in the upper range.

4. More Open and Spacious Soundstage

Higher-impedance taps on tube amplifiers tend to deliver a wider and more open soundstage, a quality often desired for acoustic instruments and natural recordings.
  • The 16-ohm tap provides the widest perceived spatial imaging, allowing for a more realistic sense of depth and air around instruments.

Conclusion: Why the 16-Ohm Tap Works Best for You

If naturalness, tonal accuracy, and imaging are your priorities—especially for acoustic music—the 16-ohm tap on your Audio Research Reference 160S is likely the best choice.
It better matches the high impedance of your A-3s at low frequencies, ensures smoother frequency response, and reduces amplifier stress and distortion, resulting in a more natural and immersive listening experience.
 
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The usual long verbose speech of ChatGPT on audiophile matters, filled with nonsense and wrong advice - fortunately moderators will deal with it.
 
Perhaps you missed this, the second line in the post:
"(FYI: Latest panels and backplates pre-mid-range removal, Brilliance @ < 1 O'clock) - Interested in other's findings..."

One other thing maybe you don't understand:
The "AI reply" is nothing but an amalgamation of known specific data/information related to the question I asked. The response isn't right or wrong, good or bad or anything else. I posed a question with specific information in it and the "reply" is not something "it" conjures up. "It" searches and gathers and then displays the information as a response. Take the information...or not. Did you notice the source of the information is even given for the results. They didn't show up when I cut and pasted it here so try it yourself. Copy and paste my question to ChatGPT, CoPilot or Grok3. You'll get the same results often, from all three. It isn't magic. It gathers information in my case. Nothing to fear.

In fact, I'll mention that some of the data shown in the "reply" was sourced from the Stereophile measurements of the Audio Research Reference 160M/160S performed by John Atkinson using his AUDIO PRECISION SYS2722 system.

It seems you take offense, disavow or dismiss as "nonsense" and "wrong advice" to this method of gathering information. Then use a search engine, chase down 47 different search results, spend two days hoping for clues and you'll probably run across the exact same information.

Since 1998 I 've used two systems ARC/Sound Lab systems, incl A1 and A3 (old names). I found the information gathered on my question from various sources to be useful analysis. I found correlations to my experiences including:
  • The 16-ohm tap provides the widest perceived spatial imaging, allowing for a more realistic sense of depth and air around instruments.
And it's free.

Finally, your wrote: "fortunately moderators will deal with it." I don't know what this means but could be interpreted as some kind of a threat or request for censorship. I thought the world has moved on from that attempt to control free speech and free thought.

But as I said, if you have something to say on the subject based on your relative experiences, please share with all the other SL users here. Discussion is good. That is the point.
 
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And you're basing you declaration on what? Nothing but the fact please...
Help me out please. Who are you referring to? I assume it's not the AI bot. Based on what is represented in this thread, it seems like you are talking to yourself.
 
With respect, if you are having trouble understanding this tread and my request for other experienced users feedback, perhaps you should consider consulting artificial intelligence for the answer to your question.
 
Really. I must have been sick that day. Please do my a favor and direct me to the "We" and "not accepted in this forum" thread you are referring to. Stop with the one liners.

I did a search and found this thread. Reading it's title and if this is what you are talking about you are misrepresenting the discussion because it states "without disclosing".

Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?


Maybe you missed the conclusion of that thread. Please read the final sentence:

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Really. I must have been sick that day. Please do my a favor and direct me to the "We" and "not accepted in this forum" thread you are referring to. Stop with the one liners.

I did a search and found this thread. Reading it's title and if this is what you are talking about you are misrepresenting the discussion because it states "without disclosing".

Should a member be allowed to make a post which is AI generated or AI mixed without disclosing such use of AI as part of the post?


Please note the thread title is a question, not a statement. The thread was a poll and request for forum member thoughts on the question. The above post shows the result of that discussion. The poll closed before you arrived:

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Just the facts.
 
32 years owning Sound Lab U1speakers, I am using Quicksilver mono 120 amps with a CAT Legend preamp and this is a match made in heaven.
 

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