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Certainly not, no progress, standing still. Please check them again.Ok, you are progressing ... Just "most" and 6 extra dB's!
What I said before was:
And after that I said the same thing:
Depends on the type of recording. Large-scale orchestral music on CD regularly has a dynamic range of 35-40 dB, or sometimes more than that. But then, classical music labels are not in the business of "loudness wars".
Then share a couple of them. Actually first share the commercial releases with 60-70 dB dynamic range as you mentioned before. You can check it with Izotope RX or with other software you choose. Here is a very dynamic example. Integrated loudness is 17.3dB
BTW I record a lot from vinyl records for restoration purposes. When I compare the rips with commercial CDs it's always the vinyl rips that are more dynamic.
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Unfortunately it seems your fabled argumentation converges to this poor sentence. Again, I am not interested in our respective preferences or competitions.
Surely a few LPs directed to audiophile markets have higher DR than the streamed or CD versions - it s not due to media, but just to specific mastering adapted to different publics.
The correct word is "most" not "a few". If you do a search about loudness, you'll find that streams and newer CD releases are more dynamically compressed to old CDs and LPs. IME vinyl releases usually (not always) offer better dynamic range. I don't know if you ever compared vinyl against CDs in terms of loudness but I did compared a lot.
Exactly. We’re not comparing the capabilities of different formats. This all stemmed from the claim that digital or CD offers 60–70 dB of dynamic range (I don’t know why 60–70 dB was chosen—why not 96 dB?). I pointed out that the dynamic capability of digital doesn’t matter much when commercial music releases are limited to 13–14 dB. Yes, it’s a mastering choice, as you said, but that’s the reality. So, there’s no need to bring up dynamic range every time vinyl and digital are compared, because commercial music releases don’t fully take advantage of the dynamic range offered by vinyl, let alone digital.
What people fail to realize is that this so-called range is measured at its peak. it does nothing to measure its lowest to loudest values (range of scale).
Absolutely.
Measuring the fluidity of the range of scale, peak threshold and the timing of the threshold scale if you want to do a scientific evaluation. But interaction with your room acoustics is bound to hamper it in one way or another.
Sorry, but peak measurements do define the maximum possible dynamic range of a medium. As you imply, whether or not this range is used in a recording, or perceptibly reproduced by a system, is another matter.
I don't think preference for vinyl stems from the technical specs inherent to the medium (remember, the noise floor in vinyl reproduciton is high, thereby limiting its dynamic range).
Rather, I guess that your -- an many others' -- preference probably stems (mine does) from the simpler, direct, nature of vinyl reproduction. It goes like this: actual physical event to analogue signal, to analogue (physical medium), to analogue signal (pick-up), to analogue (phono equaliser), to analogue (amplification), to electrical-to-physical conversion (speakers).
In digital things are a bit more complex: you go from actual physical event to analogue (signal), to digital (ADC); then digital to digital (reading, processing the digital signal /file in player, streamer), then reconvert digital to analogue (DAC) then go through the rigmarole of amplifying, etc. In order to do that (well), you need to ensure bit-perfect, timely, noiseless, phase correct, etc, reading & conversions.
I think the problem in digital is in the implementation -- not the specs. It's getting better though!
IMO your comment is suspicious biased by preference!
The vinyl process is much more complex than digital once you consider the pressing of the vinyl and its complexity. And most of the phases of digital are intrinsically bit perfect - they do not add or subtract anything to content. Surely what we do with the bits can be complex - but we are now addressing the complexity of preference, some people love KISS!
Bruce also said - most times. He provides what the customer requires. It is not a mandatory option.
I wasn't referring to its maximum theoretical threshold! And when was the last time that you have seen digital achieve these specs?
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