Telefunken M15 vs Studer A80RC
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Their A 8O was the flattest overall ( incl bass )
He wouldnt sell it
He wouldnt sell it
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Here is mine, calibrated and measured by myself.
I can be as anal as anyone else, however, flat FR has almost nothing to do with sound quality.
However what is clearly apparent from the measured data is no 2 machines will sound the same. So comparing a “Telefunken m15” to a “Studer A80” is entirely dependent on the specific samples in question.
Flat FR is a pre requisite thats all .Here is mine, calibrated and measured by myself.
I can be as anal as anyone else, however, flat FR has almost nothing to do with sound quality.
Its a basic requirement for good sound , off course there are many other factors everybody is aware of that .
At eternal arts they measured and listened ( and recorded with ) to just about all models/ brands in existence, the ones he wouldnt sell were the studer A 80 and C37
That is true of ANY statement, made by ANYONE at ANY time, in a conversation, article or a review.
I don't think, however, that it is true ENTIRELY, as there are such usually some common traits.
If you are referring to my particular test, then its purpose was narrowly defined: to figure out which of many decks in MY possession should "I" use for making MY recordings. That question was satisfactory answered.
I don't think, however, that it is true ENTIRELY, as there are such usually some common traits.
If you are referring to my particular test, then its purpose was narrowly defined: to figure out which of many decks in MY possession should "I" use for making MY recordings. That question was satisfactory answered.
I don't see it that way, and the plots, posted here, could be considered either flat enough, or not flat, as there is simply no established , as you put it, prerequisite, in existence. There are some very fine sounding machines with FR variation on the order of +/-1dB, and also poorly sounding one that measure much better. So I just don't put too much credence in FR measurements.
I am asking YOU: what is the require prerequisite flatness to FR that separates acceptable from unacceptable?
To simply say "as good as possible" doesn't get anyone any place, as it is not an accepted engineering term.
Yes makes sense and in your context makes perfect sense. The issue is that one can’t extrapolate unfortunately to machines of these brands broadly. On the other hand, (most) dac sample to sample variation is nowhere in the realm of the variation we see here with r2r machines as an example so in that context a DCS Vivaldi can be more easily compared to an Aqua Formula and results extrapolated albeit still in the context of that particular system only.
Look thats fine +- 1 db but you have to mention the range as well for example over a 40 hz - 16 khz range , be more specific .
A lot of speakers will not live up to +- 3 db over a 30 hz - 16 khz range despite manufacturer claims .
My studer B62 doesnt meet +- 1 db over 20 - 20 khz either but it still absolutely smokes digital with good tapes .
I wish my B 62 was flatter though
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Like I said, when I calibrate a machine I strive for flatness, and Telefunken M15A was one of the easiest and best behaved machined in calibration.
It turned out, it still produced, what was agreed upon between several listeners, dark sound. And if you read audiophile publications, dark sound is associated with rolled off top. Go figure...
It turned out, it still produced, what was agreed upon between several listeners, dark sound. And if you read audiophile publications, dark sound is associated with rolled off top. Go figure...
For me all that counts is that my machines with good tapes can smoke some high $$$$ stacked digital components at a show / dealer .
Meanwhile my studer is connected to a wall outlet using a simple power cord and those at the dealer are connected with arm thick cables costing thousands of $$$
If i achieve that my goal has been achieved and i am happy
Meanwhile my studer is connected to a wall outlet using a simple power cord and those at the dealer are connected with arm thick cables costing thousands of $$$
If i achieve that my goal has been achieved and i am happy
For me all that counts is that my machines with good tapes can smoke some high $$$$ stacked digital components at a show / dealer .
Meanwhile my studer is connected to a wall outlet using a simple power cord and those at the dealer are connected with arm thick cables costing thousands of $$$
If i achieve that my goal has been achieved and i am happy
It is all in the format. A great tape is unsurpassed by any medium imho.
yes but andromeda has that covered also
, how do the speakers measure on which you were listening to the telefunken ?These are mine measured on axis (turned at the listeners ear ) , if i turn them outwards a bit i have a slightly rolled of top end which is more natural sounding
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Okay that was cheating a bit 1/2 oct smoothfactor .
Now 1/6 oct smoothed with slightly different mic position , under 400 hz is highly influenced by the room off course
Now 1/6 oct smoothed with slightly different mic position , under 400 hz is highly influenced by the room off course
You might think i have a slight dip at the X over freq but its not , i can make another measurement by just moving the mic 10 -15 cm and that dip is gone and we have another slight dip or bump somewhere else .
Speaker positioning is always about trying to find a balance off course
Speaker positioning is always about trying to find a balance off course
I like my levinson digital and it can do some things tape cant .
But with some good tapes its just no contest no matter how expensive the digital stack and how thick the cables are .
But Foxbat coming back to your test , you said the Ampex 102 was the winner ??