Testing and embracing Stacore

[Stacore]

No need footers. Just send me a big sign “Protected by Stacore” to put on the wall of my room. The vibration karma will never enter my room.

Bests,
Tang

I can do it no problem Tang, but work it will not. Our platforms and racks work The primary role of the footers is to facilitate coupling to our platforms. Esp. if the equipment has rubber feet, which must be bypassed to hear the full potential. BTW, what are you going to put on your platform?

Cheers,

 

[dcc]

Several months ago, I indicated in this thread that I had ordered a Stacore rack https://www.whatsbestforum.com/show...ing-and-embracing-Stacore&p=499757#post499757

Once we finally agreed on a design, I just had to wait for the rack to be completed. Jarek and Bodgan came personally to deliver it at my place (more details in the Stacore sub-forum: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?26223-My-New-Stacore-Rack&p=529255#post529255).

As I did my "Stacore coming out" here, I thought that it would be worth showing the final result which is not only impressive but also delivers beyond my expectations. After two days of intensive listening, I feel confident stating that the sonic improvements are substantial both with digital and analog. This is the ultimate highend rack.

I am posting some pictures to give you an idea how a digital drawing transforms itself into reality.









Many thanks to Jarek, Bodgan and Flyer for getting me on board.

I have definitely embraced Stacore and I feel confident to wholeheartedly recommend this state of the art product.

 

[PeterA]

Congratulations again, dcc. The whole system photo looks great, and I really like the look of the rack system with isolation tables for each component. That is a pretty tight space back there where the rack is. So, I am now really curious what the rack itself is doing separate from the individual isolation tables. If the tables isolate extremely well, would not a solid, heavy rack be enough to support them? It seems that the legs of the rack do more though. If you know anything about this or can share some thoughts, please do.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Dcc, as the guy to get the Stacore ball rolling, I'm extremely envious as to where you've gone w this ultimate direction for the approach.

I was planning to go as far as 8 platforms, but not necessarily in rack formation.

One q, not all the Stacores are Advanced options w the additional loading plate, only the top two are?

Did you ever consider going Advanced on all six platforms?

 

[Stacore]

This rack system is our most advanced and biggest project so far, in a sense epic given the time & effort. Completing it has been like running a marathon were pleasure first mixes with pain, then there is only pain left and then to you start finding pleasure in this pain to finally erupt with an euphoria. A vast majority of this pain has been heroically taken by Stacore Bogdan and our talented welder Kamil. The amount of hard work involved here has been just plainly insane plus required a good deal of metalworking art (Bogdan's speciality). But the final effect, and especially the reaction of dcc and Flyer, is well worth all the effort.

Flyer, dcc, a BIG THANK you guys for making this project possible and all your kind words!! This is something we've always wanted to make and it wouldn't be possible without you, your trust and a constant support.

Peter, I address your question in the thread in our subforum: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?26223-My-New-Stacore-Rack/page2

Cheers,

 

[dcc]

Hi Peter. Many thanks for the compliment.

There is enough space behind the rack to allow me to stand (I am not tall and rather skinny). All the ugly PSUs (TAD CD/SACD player, Phono stage and turntable) as well as the music server (3 units) are hidden behind the rack.

As I opted for the full monty, I am not in a position to state that a heavy rack would have been enough to achieve the expected sonic improvement I was looking for. The rack was primarily designed to support the isolation platforms so I believe that there is a synergy between the rack and the platforms for yielding the best performance possible.

Give me some more days so I can further listen to more recordings I know very well and I will better articulate my findings.

As an indication, when the system was finally set up yesterday, I fired the Krell amps. They were cold and they usually require several hours of warm up to bloom. I put a CD (Bach’ s Cello Suites by Martin Zeller) and then I switched to an LP that I know very well and that I regularly use for audio comparisons (Marin Marais’ Suites d’un Goût Etranger with Jordi Savall). Flyer was at my place to help me setting up the system. Not only he knows my system very well as we have been audio buddies for more than 8 years but he knows these two recordings too. We both quickly realised that the overall system was way better than before.

 

[dcc]

Did you ever consider going Advanced on all six platforms?

The power amps are too heavy and need Basic+ platforms. Originally, I was planning to take 4 Basic platforms for the mid and upper levels but Jarek convinced me to take the Advance especially for the turntable.

During the set up, I discussed with Flyer wether the DAC/CD/SACD player or the phono stage had to go on the Advance platform. Flyer advocated that the Allnic tube phono stage would get better results from the Advance than the TAD DAC/CD/SACD player.

 

[Aries Cerat]

Congrats dcc,flyer and the Stacore team.Amazing job on the rack.

I know this is THE rack to put our equipment on.
There is indeed a scarcity of racks(as we painfully found out) that can support big and heavy equipment,i am pretty happy to say this fantastic creation is top of the list.

Cheers
Stavros

 

[spiritofmusic]

Dcc, I'm very envious.
Did I say very? I meant VERY!

 

[Stacore]

Efcharisto Stavros! After putting Flyer's Aries Cerat system on our platforms and rack, I must say there is also a very attractive aesthetic match between our products.
Cheers,

 

[Aries Cerat]

Efcharisto Stavros! After putting Flyer's Aries Cerat system on our platforms and rack, I must say there is also a very attractive aesthetic match between our products.
Cheers,

Hello Jarek

I must say that the Concero classic monoblocks ,sitting on the Stacore platforms looks like they were designed together,exact dimensions etc

Best
Stavros

 

[Billygxx]

Congrats dcc,flyer and the Stacore team.Amazing job on the rack.

I know this is THE rack to put our equipment on.
There is indeed a scarcity of racks(as we painfully found out) that can support big and heavy equipment,i am pretty happy to say this fantastic creation is top of the list.

Cheers
Stavros

David, are you out there?
Looks like we just got challenged

 

[ddk]

David, are you out there?
Looks like we just got challenged

What can I say Jarek builds beautiful racks!
david

 

[Aries Cerat]

David, are you out there?
Looks like we just got challenged

Hello Bill

I must say,i haven't seen anything yet to support your full stack of LE equipment.

Maybe can we find platforms to support the 600lb (each) Achilleas

Best
Stavros

 

[Stacore]

What can I say Jarek builds beautiful racks!
david

Thank you David, but it's mostly Stacore Bogdan's job

Stavros - 600lb is a challenge, but we can make a super platform to support it.
We can also support your full system on a rack - no problem.

Cheers,

 

[PeterA]

What I find interesting is the completely different approach between David's Nothing Rack and this Stacore rack with individual integrated pneumatic isolation platforms. David's rack seems to be more of a single purpose platform for the AS2000 which uses its own mass and an air bearing to isolated the platter while the Stacore rack is basically a support structure for the individual isolation units for electronic components and turntables unlike the AS2000.

The whole subject is fascinating and I think one must buy into the approach of a given system because potential customers are not going to be directly comparing competing designs before making a purchase decision. Critical Mass and HRS are two more systems with different design approaches.

Great stuff.

 

[ddk]

What I find interesting is the completely different approach between David's Nothing Rack and this Stacore rack with individual integrated pneumatic isolation platforms. David's rack seems to be more of a single purpose platform for the AS2000 which uses its own mass and an air bearing to isolated the platter while the Stacore rack is basically a support structure for the individual isolation units for electronic components and turntables unlike the AS2000.

The whole subject is fascinating and I think one must buy into the approach of a given system because potential customers are not going to be directly comparing competing designs before making a purchase decision. Critical Mass and HRS are two more systems with different design approaches.

Great stuff.

Hi Peter,

The Nothing & the Stacore are both basically high mass designs with isolated sections but our solutions to ground up isolation are different while serving the same purpose. Of course The Nothing's aesthetic was predicated on the AS2000's as was the engineering, it's meant to enhance that turntable's abilities specially in the bass region. Owners already familiar with AS2000's dynamics are going to be very pleasantly surprised with the addition of The Nothing . To be clear The Nothing turntable rack and The Nothing stands and platforms are a limited production item designed as part of the AS system and currently only exclusively offered to AS owners so Stacore is the only game in town offered commercially.

david

 

[PeterA]

Hi Peter,

The Nothing & the Stacore are both basically high mass designs with isolated sections but our solutions to ground up isolation are different while serving the same purpose. Of course The Nothing's aesthetic was predicated on the AS2000's as was the engineering, it's meant to enhance that turntable's abilities specially in the bass region. Owners already familiar with AS2000's dynamics are going to be very pleasantly surprised with the addition of The Nothing . To be clear The Nothing turntable rack and The Nothing stands and platforms are a limited production item designed as part of the AS system and currently only exclusively offered to AS owners so Stacore is the only game in town offered commercially.

david

Thanks for the clarification, David. That is as I suspected, but was not really sure. I have been fascinated by the subject of supporting solutions for quite some time and have gone back and forth between isolation and grounding through mass and direct path. I think much has to do with individual conditions in the environment and the specific needs of a particular component, so there is not universal solution for all components in all conditions. I do notice that the more successful pneumatic solutions do involve mass also, whether it is the platter of your turntable (I realize the mass of the platter is for dual purposes of speed and resonance/vibration control) or the Stacore/Vibraplane solutions. Preloading the air tables optimizes their performance but I think it also serves to provide a sink into which vibrations can drain away from the component, if the footer allows it.

It's a fascinating topic and one that can make a big difference to the sound of a system, IME.

 

[Stacore]

I think much has to do with individual conditions in the environment and the specific needs of a particular component, so there is not universal solution for all components in all conditions.

We challenge this statement with our solutions

Preloading the air tables optimizes their performance but I think it also serves to provide a sink into which vibrations can drain away from the component, if the footer allows it.

Yes, but it must be a "quality mass" which won't as little as possible on its own. Hence all our advanced damping techniques.

Cheers,

 

[Stacore]

Hello Jarek

I must say that the Concero classic monoblocks ,sitting on the Stacore platforms looks like they were designed together,exact dimensions etc

Best
Stavros

Yes, Flyer noticed that That the dimensions by coincidence are identical
Cheers,