The ***Official*** Progressive Rock Thread
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And that's where you're wrong. I listen to plenty of new and old music, prog or otherwise. I happen to like the older drummers, as they were simply more distinctive than the current crop. I can recognize a Phil Collins track within seconds, same for Bonham, Bruford, Moon, Peart, etc.
I have no problem with Gavin in PT, and enjoy the albums very much. If he was the only drummer in KC, that might've been OK too. But the current setup with 3 drummers is gimmicky, and doesn't work.
Well it certainly came across that you had no respect or liking of Gavin Harrison and most that don't is due to limited listening to newer progressive type rock, you even said: "Gavin Harrison? Oh please... I don't get what people hear in his playing, it's just boring, standard, run of the mill. He worked fine for Porcupine Tree, as that was somewhat simple music."
IDC if you like him or not but now it seems back and forth'ish as how you feel about his playing...
King Crimson music is very complex, and I for one can see what Fripp is doing with the multiple drummers as they add texture and many layers of rhythm. In a live setting it comes across pretty powerful, at least for me it does.
Good conversations...thanks
IDC if you like him or not but now it seems back and forth'ish as how you feel about his playing...
King Crimson music is very complex, and I for one can see what Fripp is doing with the multiple drummers as they add texture and many layers of rhythm. In a live setting it comes across pretty powerful, at least for me it does.
Good conversations...thanks
I know the type, dismissive folks who'll buy the 100th reissue of "In the court", but won't investigate any of the more obscure prog bands, old or new. It's a pity, and I'm definitely not in that camp, my 20k+ albums or so are here to prove it
I've bought a few of the recent live albums, and I saw KC live recently in San Diego, and it didn't change my perception that the 3 drummers is just a gimmick. Doesn't add anything, and in most songs, detract a lot.
Bad drumming is something that bothers me a lot. Unfortunately, there's a lot of new(-ish) prog bands with extremely poor drummers, or worse, drum machines. This is a tremendous turn off for me.
Are you familiar with La Maschera di Cera? This is an italian band from the early 2000s, that showed up pretending to be the 2nd coming of the great italian symphonic prog of the 70s. They surely put down an effort, with thick Rickenbackers, vintage sounding synths... and possibly the most boring, plodding drumming this side of Charlie Watts...
OTOH, you have a band like Anglagard, that, back in 1992, single-handedly brought prog back from the dead. These guys nailed the 70s prog sound, mixing all the right influences, and bringing it forward, with respect and reverence. While they do sound derivative, there's enough invention and creativity to make them distinctive, and not merely a pastiche.
I know the type, dismissive folks who'll buy the 100th reissue of "In the court", but won't investigate any of the more obscure prog bands, old or new. It's a pity, and I'm definitely not in that camp, my 20k+ albums or so are here to prove it
I've bought a few of the recent live albums, and I saw KC live recently in San Diego, and it didn't change my perception that the 3 drummers is just a gimmick. Doesn't add anything, and in most songs, detract a lot.
Bad drumming is something that bothers me a lot. Unfortunately, there's a lot of new(-ish) prog bands with extremely poor drummers, or worse, drum machines. This is a tremendous turn off for me.
Are you familiar with La Maschera di Cera? This is an italian band from the early 2000s, that showed up pretending to be the 2nd coming of the great italian symphonic prog of the 70s. They surely put down an effort, with thick Rickenbackers, vintage sounding synths... and possibly the most boring, plodding drumming this side of Charlie Watts...
OTOH, you have a band like Anglagard, that, back in 1992, single-handedly brought prog back from the dead. These guys nailed the 70s prog sound, mixing all the right influences, and bringing it forward, with respect and reverence. While they do sound derivative, there's enough invention and creativity to make them distinctive, and not merely a pastiche.
I love Anglagard, first 3 albums are fantastic! I have tried for years to get into Italian prog, it has nothing to do with the singing just never resonates much with me. I have some CDs and several records by PFM, Le Orme and Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, I do admit the musicianship is very good......I prefer Germany.....Long live CAN!!!
I am finding these categories and subcategories confusing. Of course we can define things as we wish and develop categories and subcategories based on those definitions.
But why would the music on an album like Fleetwood Mac by Fleetwood Mac be categorized as anything other than "pop"?
I thought Led Zeppelin was categorized as "classic rock"? Am I being too simple about this?
The problem with progressive rock is the un-ending subgenres......less can be better and simpler. I hate the term "classic rock", I mean LZ is what it is cause at the time there was no "classic rock", so why label them this now?
Honestly to me LZ is a blues band with serious attitude and distorted guitar, but simple hard rock works too.
Honestly to me LZ is a blues band with serious attitude and distorted guitar, but simple hard rock works too.
Excellent point! (I knew my question was going to get me into trouble!)
Interestingly, LZ is considered by many professional musicians as a blues band.
Their roots were almost entirely in the blues, as were many other musicians from the Brit invasion....The Rolling Stones as another example.
The latest albums from the Stones are some classic blues covers...and show how very talented the guys are in that genre.
Their roots were almost entirely in the blues, as were many other musicians from the Brit invasion....The Rolling Stones as another example.
The latest albums from the Stones are some classic blues covers...and show how very talented the guys are in that genre.
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